DearMaggie
02-16-2005, 07:12 AM
I believe they can be 'fixed' or at least some of them can be
"Fetal circulation different?" shared someone. That makes sense
I've looked into it a little more, and on this topic:
Could a mark after birth on forehead be an hemangioma?
I don't know this baby Dr's thoughts on the matter, but have some input for him to consider, (From past experience, though, the GP is not interested in being 'helped out')
which I posted in general terms on this forum (http://www.novanews.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=207)
& restated here:
I have a family member who has an 8 month baby girl with what appears to be a hemangioma on her upper forehead. It is growing and the high class pediatrician told the mom to not worry it would go away. The local GP doctor in mom's small town was very concerned 2 months ago, measured it, etc.
Baby didn't have it at birth. Someone shared that the blood pressure in a newborn and a baby are different, so that may be why they don't show up at birth
These are some concerns I have that might contribute to such a condition, per a study I have done in last 2 years on a particular chemical exposure (that is commonplace)
I was also immediately 'on guard' when the baby was 5 weeks premature. There is no reason the mom should have had a premature baby. She is a big sized girl and there is no such family history of premature births.
There are premature births with those harmed by 2-butoxyethanol which I have learned a lot about these past 3 years. I do suspect this chemical for the cause of harm for many, such as those with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, CFIDS, 'gulf war syndrome'
When I found that Accutane had the same symptoms as 2-butoxyethanol I was amazed. One year later, in relooking at the web page I had done, I noticed it had a butylated inert ingredient. http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/accutane.htm
At the very least the harm of this commonly used chemical component in many products, is unrecognized http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/unrecognized.htm
Some 'gulf war syndrome' vets have shared with me that their children have been born so prematurely, as to not be able to survive. AND they give up trying to have a child. Or I hear that they are unable to have children because the man has ZERO sperm & that there is no reason this should be so, other than exposure to the 2-butoxyethanol as this Coast Guard Man shared with me http://www.valdezlink.com/vet_symptoms.htm#monitor
I have a woman friend in IL whom I suspect to be harmed from this chemical by using Lysol tub 'n tile through the years. It has a compounded version of this. Worst exposure is at cuticle areas and in the eye membranes. Her son and his wife have been trying for the past 15 years, ever since I've known Helen & before ... to have a child. He took Accutane as a teen. I wonder, I tell you the truth, I wonder if that could be the cause.
In looking thru the NJ Hazard info sheet (6 pdf pages)
It states p.2 Reproductive Hazard
"2-butoxyEthanol may damage the testes (male reproductive glands)"
http://www.state.nj.us/health/eoh/rtkweb/0275.pdf
Why I looked into 2-butoxyethanol in the first place
http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/who.htm
This article, "Strawberry hemangiomas" appears to be very informative
Question: When our son was two weeks old, a pink mark appeared between his nose and mouth. Since then the mark has grown to almost the size of a dime and has become bright red and slightly raised. Our doctor has told us it is a strawberry hemangioma birthmark and will most likely get bigger. We are upset because the mark is in a prominent spot and is the first thing people notice about our son. How large is it likely to get, and what, if anything, can be done to remove this mark?
Answer: Strawberry hemangiomas are the most common tumors of infancy. I say tumor, not as it is typically used to mean cancer, but rather, meaning a collection of cells. In the case of hemangiomas, the collection of cells are those that make up tiny blood vessels. Strawberry hemangiomas, while they are technically birth marks, are often not noticed at birth. In fact, they usually do not become obvious until the first few weeks of life. These occur more often in females than males and are more commonly seen in Caucasian infants than in other racial groups. The vast majority of these occur as one solitary mark. However, in about 20 percent of these infants, more than one may be present.
Probably the most concerning problem for parents associated with these mostly benign birth marks is that they undergo rapid growth over the first six to ten months of life. Thus, what began as a mild blemish can become a quite noticeable mark on the body, usually the face. After this rapid growth phase, it's size only increases in proportion to the child's normal growth. Then over the next several years, the red color of the hemangioma begins to fade the mark dissolves away. Most of the time, there is little if any mark left behind. However, some may have pale scar where the hemangioma used to be. Strawberry hemangiomas completely resolve in 50 percent of children by age five and 70 percent by age seven. The rest show gradual fading completed by the time they reach the teenage years.
The vast majority of children with strawberry hemangiomas experience no complications. However, there are a few who do encounter some problems. In less than five percent of children, the hemangioma can leave a divot in the skin during its fading away phase. These usually occur when the lips are involved. In addition, uncommonly, the hemangioma can enlarge to involve structures vital to eyesight or breathing. Hemangiomas that involve the eyelids can hamper eyesight by their growth, which in turn causes the eyelid to droop. While this condition is transient, because the hemangioma will fade away, having the eyesight blocked by the eyelid can cause significant problems with the development of correct vision. In addition, these birthmarks can rarely involve the inside of the mouth and throat which could cause difficulty breathing.
Because strawberry hemangiomas rarely cause significant medical or cosmetic problems, treatment is usually reserved for those who are at high risk for complications. In these cases, high doses of steroid medication given orally are usually first tried. In addition, there is now a good amount of experience using certain laser therapy techniques. However, the use of this technology has not yet become widespread.
I am sure your baby's appearance is quite a distressing factor for you. Unfortunately, it is impossible to predict exactly how much larger it will get. And anytime there are unknown factors, it will certainly cause more stress for you. First, I would suggest to you that the overwhelming majority of babies with strawberry hemangiomas located in the spot you describe have no medical complications arising from them. In addition, the odds are also way in your son's favor that it will resolve over time causing little or no mark by the time he reaches school age. I would advise against any massaging as this will not make it resolve any faster, and in fact, you could cause some bleeding within the hemangioma which could cause complications or scarring. To date, there is no topical medications or creams that have proven to be effective in reducing these birthmarks.
I would talk to your doctor about your concerns. Specifically, ask if you can have him show you a number of "before and after" pictures from pediatric dermatology texts. Being able to actually see cases of children who have had strawberry hemangiomas more extensive than your son's which resolved on their own may ease your mind. And finally, having a dermatologist examine it may be helpful but may also be a waste of your time and money because most are hesitant to do any treatment unless there is a significant medical or cosmetic risk. On the other hand, if talking to your doctor has not reassured you, getting a second opinion from a dermatologist would certainly not be unreasonable and could do a lot to arm you with more information. by Robert Steele, M.D. http://parenting.ivillage.com
I am also wondering about the neuroblastoma tumors of early childhood, such as Alex had http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/alex.htm
Well the chemical I'm talking about, can affect the developing fetus as 2-butoxyethanol and diethylene glycol monobutyl ether are teratogens. Since second hand exposure is possible, I also wonder about SIDS with this chemical. http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/sids.htm
It has many other aspects of harm, so unless someone has CFIDS or 'gulf war syndrome' assortment of symtpoms. Don't suspect this chemical www.valdezlink.com/acute.htm www.valdezlink.com/scenario.htm
AND horrible headaches off and on http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/headache1.htm
AND brain tumors ... http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/brain.htm
Tumors of every kind & pituitary tumors or melanoma issues, it should be suspect for
This is how you identify major exposure to it: autoimmune issues
http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/canine.htm
So, maybe there is help for baby, if you give 'stop the autoimmune' vitamins? http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/study.htm#baby
Could glyconutrients help? http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/discoveries.htm#sweet
You would be surprised to learn how many things are autoimmune
http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/autoimmune.htm
I've heard that these can also be internal A parent expresses similar concerns (http://www.novanews.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=188)
"Fetal circulation different?" shared someone. That makes sense
I've looked into it a little more, and on this topic:
Could a mark after birth on forehead be an hemangioma?
I don't know this baby Dr's thoughts on the matter, but have some input for him to consider, (From past experience, though, the GP is not interested in being 'helped out')
which I posted in general terms on this forum (http://www.novanews.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=207)
& restated here:
I have a family member who has an 8 month baby girl with what appears to be a hemangioma on her upper forehead. It is growing and the high class pediatrician told the mom to not worry it would go away. The local GP doctor in mom's small town was very concerned 2 months ago, measured it, etc.
Baby didn't have it at birth. Someone shared that the blood pressure in a newborn and a baby are different, so that may be why they don't show up at birth
These are some concerns I have that might contribute to such a condition, per a study I have done in last 2 years on a particular chemical exposure (that is commonplace)
I was also immediately 'on guard' when the baby was 5 weeks premature. There is no reason the mom should have had a premature baby. She is a big sized girl and there is no such family history of premature births.
There are premature births with those harmed by 2-butoxyethanol which I have learned a lot about these past 3 years. I do suspect this chemical for the cause of harm for many, such as those with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, CFIDS, 'gulf war syndrome'
When I found that Accutane had the same symptoms as 2-butoxyethanol I was amazed. One year later, in relooking at the web page I had done, I noticed it had a butylated inert ingredient. http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/accutane.htm
At the very least the harm of this commonly used chemical component in many products, is unrecognized http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/unrecognized.htm
Some 'gulf war syndrome' vets have shared with me that their children have been born so prematurely, as to not be able to survive. AND they give up trying to have a child. Or I hear that they are unable to have children because the man has ZERO sperm & that there is no reason this should be so, other than exposure to the 2-butoxyethanol as this Coast Guard Man shared with me http://www.valdezlink.com/vet_symptoms.htm#monitor
I have a woman friend in IL whom I suspect to be harmed from this chemical by using Lysol tub 'n tile through the years. It has a compounded version of this. Worst exposure is at cuticle areas and in the eye membranes. Her son and his wife have been trying for the past 15 years, ever since I've known Helen & before ... to have a child. He took Accutane as a teen. I wonder, I tell you the truth, I wonder if that could be the cause.
In looking thru the NJ Hazard info sheet (6 pdf pages)
It states p.2 Reproductive Hazard
"2-butoxyEthanol may damage the testes (male reproductive glands)"
http://www.state.nj.us/health/eoh/rtkweb/0275.pdf
Why I looked into 2-butoxyethanol in the first place
http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/who.htm
This article, "Strawberry hemangiomas" appears to be very informative
Question: When our son was two weeks old, a pink mark appeared between his nose and mouth. Since then the mark has grown to almost the size of a dime and has become bright red and slightly raised. Our doctor has told us it is a strawberry hemangioma birthmark and will most likely get bigger. We are upset because the mark is in a prominent spot and is the first thing people notice about our son. How large is it likely to get, and what, if anything, can be done to remove this mark?
Answer: Strawberry hemangiomas are the most common tumors of infancy. I say tumor, not as it is typically used to mean cancer, but rather, meaning a collection of cells. In the case of hemangiomas, the collection of cells are those that make up tiny blood vessels. Strawberry hemangiomas, while they are technically birth marks, are often not noticed at birth. In fact, they usually do not become obvious until the first few weeks of life. These occur more often in females than males and are more commonly seen in Caucasian infants than in other racial groups. The vast majority of these occur as one solitary mark. However, in about 20 percent of these infants, more than one may be present.
Probably the most concerning problem for parents associated with these mostly benign birth marks is that they undergo rapid growth over the first six to ten months of life. Thus, what began as a mild blemish can become a quite noticeable mark on the body, usually the face. After this rapid growth phase, it's size only increases in proportion to the child's normal growth. Then over the next several years, the red color of the hemangioma begins to fade the mark dissolves away. Most of the time, there is little if any mark left behind. However, some may have pale scar where the hemangioma used to be. Strawberry hemangiomas completely resolve in 50 percent of children by age five and 70 percent by age seven. The rest show gradual fading completed by the time they reach the teenage years.
The vast majority of children with strawberry hemangiomas experience no complications. However, there are a few who do encounter some problems. In less than five percent of children, the hemangioma can leave a divot in the skin during its fading away phase. These usually occur when the lips are involved. In addition, uncommonly, the hemangioma can enlarge to involve structures vital to eyesight or breathing. Hemangiomas that involve the eyelids can hamper eyesight by their growth, which in turn causes the eyelid to droop. While this condition is transient, because the hemangioma will fade away, having the eyesight blocked by the eyelid can cause significant problems with the development of correct vision. In addition, these birthmarks can rarely involve the inside of the mouth and throat which could cause difficulty breathing.
Because strawberry hemangiomas rarely cause significant medical or cosmetic problems, treatment is usually reserved for those who are at high risk for complications. In these cases, high doses of steroid medication given orally are usually first tried. In addition, there is now a good amount of experience using certain laser therapy techniques. However, the use of this technology has not yet become widespread.
I am sure your baby's appearance is quite a distressing factor for you. Unfortunately, it is impossible to predict exactly how much larger it will get. And anytime there are unknown factors, it will certainly cause more stress for you. First, I would suggest to you that the overwhelming majority of babies with strawberry hemangiomas located in the spot you describe have no medical complications arising from them. In addition, the odds are also way in your son's favor that it will resolve over time causing little or no mark by the time he reaches school age. I would advise against any massaging as this will not make it resolve any faster, and in fact, you could cause some bleeding within the hemangioma which could cause complications or scarring. To date, there is no topical medications or creams that have proven to be effective in reducing these birthmarks.
I would talk to your doctor about your concerns. Specifically, ask if you can have him show you a number of "before and after" pictures from pediatric dermatology texts. Being able to actually see cases of children who have had strawberry hemangiomas more extensive than your son's which resolved on their own may ease your mind. And finally, having a dermatologist examine it may be helpful but may also be a waste of your time and money because most are hesitant to do any treatment unless there is a significant medical or cosmetic risk. On the other hand, if talking to your doctor has not reassured you, getting a second opinion from a dermatologist would certainly not be unreasonable and could do a lot to arm you with more information. by Robert Steele, M.D. http://parenting.ivillage.com
I am also wondering about the neuroblastoma tumors of early childhood, such as Alex had http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/alex.htm
Well the chemical I'm talking about, can affect the developing fetus as 2-butoxyethanol and diethylene glycol monobutyl ether are teratogens. Since second hand exposure is possible, I also wonder about SIDS with this chemical. http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/sids.htm
It has many other aspects of harm, so unless someone has CFIDS or 'gulf war syndrome' assortment of symtpoms. Don't suspect this chemical www.valdezlink.com/acute.htm www.valdezlink.com/scenario.htm
AND horrible headaches off and on http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/headache1.htm
AND brain tumors ... http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/brain.htm
Tumors of every kind & pituitary tumors or melanoma issues, it should be suspect for
This is how you identify major exposure to it: autoimmune issues
http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/canine.htm
So, maybe there is help for baby, if you give 'stop the autoimmune' vitamins? http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/study.htm#baby
Could glyconutrients help? http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/discoveries.htm#sweet
You would be surprised to learn how many things are autoimmune
http://home.gci.net/~blessing/pages/autoimmune.htm
I've heard that these can also be internal A parent expresses similar concerns (http://www.novanews.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=188)