It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature

[halva]

October Airline Traffic: Ten-Month Domestic Traffic Up 7.7 Percent From 2003

Thursday, January 13, 2005 - U.S. airlines carried 7.7 percent more domestic passengers and flew 4.1 percent more domestic flights during the first 10 months of 2004 than they did during the same period in 2003, the U.S. Department of Transportation’s Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS) today reported, in a release of preliminary data (Table 1).

The airlines carried 527.5 million domestic passengers during the first 10 months of 2004, up from the 489.9 million carried between January and October 2003 (Table 2). The passengers were carried on 8.3 million flights, up 4.1 percent from the 8.0 million flights operated in 2003 (Table 1)..... (continued)
http://www.bts.gov/press_releases/20...bts004_05.html

Let's see: 8.3 million domestic flights between January and October 2004 = an average of 830,000 flights per month = an average of 27,660 flights per day over the continental United States. These are commercial airline passenger flights only being referred to here. Not air cargo; not private executive or corporate jets; not military flights; not civil aviation.

The same story as the explosion of SUV owning that we see even in ridiculously dysfunctional and transport-paralysed cities like Athens. It is almost as if they want to produce a Peak Oil crisis as rapidly as possible. Or bake the planet before the fossil fuels are exhausted, (the Greenpeace reading on things).

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Chemtrails and their damage factors are probably best understood by observation of past fossil fuels problems. In Tennessee, coal mines used strip mine techniques that deformed mountains and collected rainwater that was acidified and the rainwater runoffs went on to kill streams and entire rivers. This huge problem killed entire rivers like the one in the Big South Fork National Recreation Area in Tennessee. This extensive damage was changed via litigation and national policy changes. The people had the right to demand that the mountains not be defaced, and likewise the people have the right to demand that their skies not be defaced or their Sunlight be blocked.

Should jet plane companies be sued over defacing the skies of the world? I certain think they need to be, and the follow on causal factors of the acid effects should be included. This should not be allowed to continue unabated one more day. Legislation needed to begin ten years ago. GreenPeace could perform a real service to the world by raising awareness of these factors. I am sure they would not remain silent on strip mines going unabated, and likewise the stripmine problems with the skies they cannot remain silent.

The stripper analogy is not much different than what is going on with the chemtrails issues. The changes are the skies are the repositories for the acids from the coal mines, the water is supplied from the chemtrail or jet planes being catalytic agents for rainfall, and the net effect places huge levels of acids into the streams, rivers, and lakes over large areas. These acids liberate toxic metals, which damage the health of animals and man. The acid rain problems in the North Eastern US are huge and many lakes are near dead. Litigation is happening between Northern states and the fossil polluting states, to protect their surface and ground waters. These factors are also influenced by the Jet traffic causing increased rains that pull down these pollutants and these cauality factors likely need to begin inclusion as prime factors. The problem is so massive in animals that the fluoride components of acid rain are the causal factors for prion illnesses.

That big activism groups become involved in massive actions to change policies, or massive class actions against some of these causal factors, is pretty certain. Greenpeace will likely appreciate the acid load being routed from the oceans, but they won't take a positive view of these acids being routed onto the land's streams, rivers, and lakes and adding to the acid problems of surface and ground waters.

It would be an excellent place for Greenpeace to get positively involved in awareness raising. The fact is, there are already precidence set using the model of coal strip mining that defaced the mountains and killed the rivers and lakes, just the new defacing happens in the skies via jet cloud making and the acid is still killing rivers and lakes, and then going on to screw up animal and human health. It is the same basic complaints as per strip miners.

Chemtrail related activities involve both the thousands of commercial flights each day that make the clouds and rainfall patterns, but also the flights of the US Govt planes distributing the titanium and other materials used to offset the fluoride toxic factor and other problems.

The jet planes marking up and defacing the skies of the world is no different than greedy strip miners defacing the mountains of Appalachia for quick profits, which then went on to silt in rivers and lakes and acidify them to the point of killing the entire ecosystems.

These careless people of the stip mines had to pay to fix all that damage, and there is already a lot of money going into the issues of the coal polluting the skies of the world, and it all needs to be made public and the public involved in policy making. It will all follow very similar arguements as made against strip mining.

People like "Stripper Jay Reynolds" are the new "Strip Miner" mentality, and they don't care how the skies are defaced or the environments damaged by acids and metals factors that impact human health.

"Stripper Reynolds" and his moblike "strikebuster" gang need to be identified as those that deface nature and attack those that seek the same protections of nature that were achieved in the strip mine control litigation and legislation. The model here is just like the one of the coal mine owners and the workers they sought to opress and control.

Strippers need to be criminalized.

Perhaps this analogy will help the public take note of their rights and similar laws that have originated over like issues.

IMHO,
is

[jayreynolds]

"Stripper Jay Reynolds" are the new "Strip Miner" mentality, and they don't care how the skies are defaced or the environments damaged by acids and metals factors that impact human health.
"Stripper Reynolds" and his moblike "strikebuster" gang need to be identified as those that deface nature and attack those that seek the same protections of nature that were achieved in the strip mine control litigation and legislation. The model here is just like the one of the coal mine owners and the workers they sought to opress and control.
Strippers need to be criminalized.

BRING IT ON!

http://www.willthomas.net/Chemtrails...Chemtrails.htm

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Halva writes:

"The same story as the explosion of SUV owning that we see even in ridiculously dysfunctional and transport-paralysed cities like Athens. It is almost as if they want to produce a Peak Oil crisis as rapidly as possible. Or bake the planet before the fossil fuels are exhausted, (the Greenpeace reading on things)."

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I do think that in speaking of the peak oil break point, that you should begin to include factors like the poorer grade oils will become more the norm. Since times are short of the break points on supply and there is still a good supply of the premium grade oil around. This will all change around the times of the peak toward use of the low grade crude oil.

At the peak, Where there was once a lot of the low sulfur light grade crudes, the rejects like the high sulfur crude will become the norm. And with that the increased uses of the catalytic techniques that remove the sulfur and boost up the hydrogen some. This is already begun to happen, as the refineries now control levels of S and H in the system. This allows them to use the cheeper priced crude oils and still meet the emissions.

The wars over who controls the worlds oil have already begun, this to offset the peak for the power elite countries. The little just developing countries of the world will all be hit harder and sooner. But a big nuclear war could well change the timelines to the peak a good bit.

IMHO,
is

[jayreynolds]

Back at ORNL, when we saw the global warming factors forming at the pole from the ionization effects increasing the concentration of pollutants there, we knew there was a huge problem.

So, the mediation method was one of global factors using the fact that the atmosphere was going to be getting wetter, and then adding factors to Jet planes and fuels to make them set up cloud seeding to reflect IR back into space. The jet fuels were altered to reduce the sulfur and the SOx problem and also altered to increase the hydrogen content. This caused some problems with the burn, so they added the benzene compound----which is carcinogenic. This is why we see areas like in Fallon, NV suddenly showing up with kids getting leukemia. This is the JP-8 factors.

Hey, Jimbo, you still haven't come through with any debate for your proposition that you added benzene, a carcinogen, to JP-8. Tell us who ordered you to do so, when, where, and how much?

Names, Jimbo, your people want names.

You say that you were involved in this, and that children got leukemia as a result, then two
things must happen. Either you must turn state's evidence, begin to talk and name names, or else you get prosecuted for these crimes.

But you won't do anything. Because you made it all up. It's a complete fabrication. It's time to come clean and stop the lies, Jimbo. Everybody knows. Even in your fantasy world, you know too, because you have been caught concocting NEW lies to coverup when your old ones get found out. Wayne, Deborah, evrybody can see this happening. You aren't fooling anyone, even yourself.


SO, JIMBO, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO, OLD MAN????

[halva]

Friends of the Earth, which hasn't been a success in Greece, a few years ago took up the issue of pollution caused by aircraft.

But there was no background explanation, no contextualisation and of course no reference to geoengineering proposals or activities.

What came out was a proposal that Friends of the Earth members should campaign for higher air fares.

Out of the blue, just like that. This was obviously a turn-off, and is merely one more example of the problems caused by lack of transparency, whatever justifications for the lack of transparency might be evoked.

[Insurrectionchemistry]

Halva writes:

"Unlike Shadow, Jim Phelps is at least trying to be a team player, but Jim do you really think Biblical prophecy is going to help us deal with the gentlemen of posting 5023?

I am not talking about private inspiration and solace. I mean usable ideas. You have usable ideas. Why don't you focus on them more?"

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Gentlemen is not a correct word.

I had put this one back some time ago, with the idea that Halva might wise up and stop his lack of team playing.

Halva can't seem to follow history well---be it American History or religious history. He covers his lack of abilities by snipping in attempts to push things his way---toward lack of regard to history. Take a hint---it won't work.

Halva cannot seem to think globally. Halva can't seem to take note that persons like JFK were well traveled in 1930's Europe in the work up of the German Hitler coming to power. JFK was in Germany looking at the problems with the Jews and the banking control issues and even writing letters to his father telling that a war was coming.

Hitler and his party studied relgion and based their 3rd Reicht on religion models. Hitler studied the Jews and said Jesus was a Jewish reformer. Now, supposedly Halva would be taking note of such factors in his discussions of the Jews with Germans and Europeans and the associations with Hitler and Europe. However, I can't seem to find a trace that he can recognize these obvious factors of Euroepean and German history, nor that he recognizes the religion models used by Hitler or that Halva knows the Jewish history in Europe well enough to even comment intelligently about it.

JFK was a Catholic, so he knew the Vatican did not respect the religion of the Jews in these times and this contributed to the European problems with the Jews and their banking control.

Now, if JFK can learn these factors from Europe-----one would think that Halva might be able to gleen these same rather obvious bits of European history that JFK observed. Halva is right down close to the Vatican and well can find that the Vatican was highly attacked for the Holocaust and this caused them to enjoin with the Jewish version of religion more and lead into the formation of Israel and the problems of the anti-Christ.

It is not very hard---pure logic and pure history. It is also not very hard to take note that in the US that George Bush learned to talk and act like the evangelicals to help mislead the US more down the road toward the anti-Christ factors. Even the Pope thinks that Bush-43 is the anti-Christ.

Now, if Bush can scam all the US evangelicals by learning to sound like them and exploit them----then the way to counter that misinformation is to correctly inform and educate these evangelicals as to what is really going on.

So, the problem is Halva not being the team player, his trying to dictate, and his strong tendency to attempt to ignore history of the US and that of religion.


Yes, I do tend to have some rather good ideas from time to time, and this using the evangelicals and explaining to them the factors of Revelations and how this is happening right now with respect to environmental and health factors seems rather appropriate. How better to activate and wake up the US than to expose how the Bush-43 types are abusing them and misdirecting them. And how the acid rain, aerosol games, and animal and health effects all interconnect and are part of the Revelations. Clear into the war games to control big oil and the end-times prophicies against the Jews. Correct interpretations for religion and God are well connected to science and nature.


I think it is Halva's lack of abilities to comprehind simple things that is the problem and it shows in his remarks above. His dictator-like leadership is not appropriate, nor his claims about team playing toward others. Halva is the person that cannot team play-----can't seem to even see what is obvious.

Halva appears so insincere toward religion as to attempt to put forth that it should not be believed or even used as part of the wake up call on the environment and health. Why does Halva think there is so much effort at the presidential level to attempt to mask these factors. it is getting such high level manipulation because it is an essential part of their plan to control exposing what is happening.

I do think Halva needs to learn the issues from Europe that JFK learned --- then I think Halva needs to follow JFK and the American history just as closely as that of Europe. Else, he will be shown to be the non team player and the screw up of vauable focus points that can make a huge difference.

Halva, I need to know when you are going to stop sitting on your brain down at the Cafe, and start spending some time at effective thinking? Thinking would be so much better than showing your utter ignorace with snipping comments.

And yes, I put this comment above aside a number of times thinking you would learn or wake up a bit and cut out the snipping. But since learning seems to be elusive for you and the snipping needs to end----each and every time you fail to team play, or focus on the most relevant factors, or see the merits of good ideas, or consider the factors of the US over those of Europe------well then I will spell it out in extensive detail and repeatedly.

IMHO,
is

[halva]

Now, if Bush can scam all the US evangelicals by learning to sound like them and exploit them----then the way to counter that misinformation is to correctly inform and educate these evangelicals as to what is really going on.

Jim I wish you the best in doing this.

Educating and informing evangelicals, or educating anyone in the Christian religion, is not something I am required to do here in Greece.

[halva]

'The US has a massive foreign debt, which it is incapable of repaying, except possibly by controlling everybody else's oil reserves then forcing users to pay a ransom for oil.'
Alan Roberts

[stuart_allsop]

October Airline Traffic: Ten-Month Domestic Traffic Up 7.7 Percent From 2003

Thursday, January 13, 2005 - U.S. airlines carried 7.7 percent more domestic passengers and flew 4.1 percent more domestic flights during the first 10 months of 2004 than they did during the same period in 2003, the U.S. Department of Transportation?s Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS) today reported, in a release of preliminary data (Table 1).

The airlines carried 527.5 million domestic passengers during the first 10 months of 2004, up from the 489.9 million carried between January and October 2003 (Table 2). The passengers were carried on 8.3 million flights, up 4.1 percent from the 8.0 million flights operated in 2003 (Table 1)..... (continued)
http://www.bts.gov/press_releases/20...bts004_05.html

Let's see: 8.3 million domestic flights between January and October 2004 = an average of 830,000 flights per month = an average of 27,660 flights per day over the continental United States. These are commercial airline passenger flights only being referred to here. Not air cargo; not private executive or corporate jets; not military flights; not civil aviation.

Well, yes... And what is your point?