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    The Truth About Chemtrails

    If all aircraft are involved, then chemtrails are indeed contrails taking on a new life of their own due to humidity and altitude conditions. If all aircraft are involved, then it is strange that The Discovery Channel came up with nothing on commercial jet fuel. If all aircraft are involved, there would seem to be too many people involved in a conspiracy for it to continue without exposure.

    Many videos and photographs display the deliberate nature of the chemtrail program. I believe that this program is being conducted by people sworn to secrecy. Yet, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence that chemtrails are being run by a joint group involving worldwide military and "authoritative" science institutions.

    Colin Powell's Revealing Comment:
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    JOHANNESBURG SUMMIT: Summit ends in broad pledge on world goals
    By Barry James International Herald Tribune
    Thursday, September 5, 2002

    Colin Powell: "We are committed not just to rhetoric and to various goals, we are committed to a billion-dollar program to develop and deploy advanced technologies to mitigate greenhouse-gas emissions."
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergo...Climate_Change

    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was established in 1988 by two United Nations organizations, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) and the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), to evaluate the risk of climate change brought on by humans, based mainly on peer reviewed and published scientific/technical literature. The Panel is open to all members of the WMO and UNEP.

    IPCC reports are widely cited in almost any debate related to climate change. National and international responses to climate change generally regard the UN climate panel as authoritative.
    Also from the Wikipedia entry:
    Work on the fourth assessment report (AR4) is well underway.

    The Working Group I Summary for Policymakers (SPM) was published on February 2, 2007. Its key conclusions were that[:

    * Warming of the climate system is unequivocal
    * Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely (greater than 90% likely) due to the observed increase in anthropogenic (human) greenhouse gas concentrations
    * Hotter temperatures and rises in sea level "would continue for centuries" no matter how much humans control their pollution, although the likely amount of temperature and sea level rise varies greatly depending on the fossil intensity of human activity during the next century
    * The probability that this is caused by natural climatic processes alone is less than 5%
    * World temperatures could rise by anything between 1.1 and 6.4°C (1.98 and 11.52°F) during the 21st century (table 3) and that:
    o Sea levels will probably rise by 18 to 59 cm (7.08 to 23.22 in)
    o It is more than 90% certain that there will be frequent warm spells, heat waves and heavy rainfall
    o It is more than 66% certain that there will be an increase in droughts, tropical cyclones and extreme high tides.
    * Both past and future anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions will continue to contribute to warming and sea level rise for more than a millennium.
    * Global atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide have increased markedly as a result of human activities since 1750 and now far exceed pre-industrial values over the last 650,000 years.

    Working Group II and Working Group III reports are scheduled for early April and early May, respectively. The AR4 Synthesis Report (SYR) is expected to be finalized during the last quarter of 2007.
    "They" are in search of the blank check and legalisation of "chemtrails" since "Hotter temperatures and rises in sea level "would continue for centuries" no matter how much humans control their pollution." "They" believe that the answer to pollution is more pollution.
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    Re: The Truth About Chemtrails

    The study of radiative forcing due to aerosols is a new science.
    http://ams.confex.com/ams/annual2003...aper_52968.htm

    Jianglong Zhang, University of Alabama, Huntsville, AL; and S. A. Christopher

    To date, aerosols remain one of the largest sources of uncertainty in climate change studies. The recent IPCC 2001 has categorized the understanding levels of all aerosol types as either low or very low. Previous studies have addressed the issues of aerosol climate forcing using either radiative transfer models and chemical transport model or General Circulation Models (GCM). However, the accurate prediction of the aerosol climate effect using current models is a difficult task. This is because of the wide spatial distribution of aerosols and their large variations in chemical composition and microphysical properties...
    http://www.nap.edu/books/0309064252/html/14.html
    Atmospheric Effects of Aviation: A Review of NASA's Subsonic Assessment Project (1999)

    Sulfur Aerosols

    Friedl (1997) notes a major difficulty in quantitatively understanding how sulfur compounds in aircraft fuel are converted to sulfate in the aircraft engine. The sulfur content of jet-aircraft fuels varies with each fuel's specifications....

    An experimental determination of aerosols in aircraft wakes was made in 1995, when an ER-2 aircraft was able to sample the exhaust plume of a Concorde aircraft (Fahey et al., 1995a). A huge number of aerosol particles was found in the plume...

    Heated at 192°C, a large fraction of these submicron particles was volatilized, and their composition was consistent with that of sulfuric acid. While the Concorde engine design is quite different than that of today's subsonic fleet, these studies are still relevant to SASS, as they confirmed that a large number of aerosols can be generated in the aircraft wake by the simultaneous condensation of sulfuric acid and water vapors (heteromolecular nucleation), even if the local atmosphere is under saturated with water vapor....
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    Re: The Truth About Chemtrails

    This is not just about jet fuel in my humble opinion.

    There are tons of inventions for geoengineering the skies. Here is just one.

    http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5286979.html
    inventors:
    Berliner, David L. (Atherton, CA, US)
    Leong, Helen (Atherton, CA, US)

    excerpts:
    Process for absorbing ultraviolet radiation using dispersed melanin

    Abstract: This invention is a process for absorbing ultraviolet radiation in the atmosphere by dispersing melanin, its analogs, or derivatives into the atmosphere. By appropriate choice of melanin composition, size of melanin dispersoids, and their concentration, the melanin will absorb some quantity of ultraviolet radiation and thereby lessen its overall effect on the critters who would normally absorb such radiation.

    ...A variety of materials have been introduced into the atmosphere for an equally wide variety of reasons. For instance, U.S. Pat. No. 3,608,810 and 3,608,820, both to Kooser, suggest the concept of dispensing surfactants, salts, water-soluble poly-electrolytes, or mixtures thereof to disperse fogs or to cause rain. Similarly, U.S. Pat. No. 3,802,624 to Kuhne et al., suggests the use of a combination of sugar alcohols, saccharides, and polyvinyl alcohol in combination with low melting point alkane-diols, triols, or polyols. The mixture is sprayed into fog or clouds in a finely-dispersed form to either coalesce fog or dispel clouds.

    A classic silver iodide cloud seeding generator is shown in U.S. Pat. No. 3,126,155 to Lohse. The device operates by using a method similar to that found in a carburetor. A fluid under pressure is introduced into a venturi. The air flowing through the venturi is accelerated and disperses the silver iodide-containing solution into small droplets.

    In Cicerone et al., "Reduced Ozone Depletions in a Model with Hydrocarbon Injections", Science 254, pp.1191-1194 (1991), the concept of introducing hydrocarbons into the upper atmosphere is found. This is said to be a method for removing active chlorine from the atmosphere. Chlorine singlets are believed to result in reaction of ozone to form oxygen.

    In Chang et al., U.S. Pat. No. 5,003,186, is described a process for introducing Welsbach materials and metal oxides which have high emissivities (and hence low reflectivities) into the atmosphere. Such particles would absorb long wavelength energy and radiate it into space.

    Another venturi passage used for atmospheric seeding is shown in U.S. Pat. No. 3,429,507 to Jones. Other known methods for dispersing materials into the atmosphere include those shown in U.S. Pat. No. 4,412,654 to Yates et al., and 4,948,050 to Picot. The Yates patent shows an airfoil-shaped body which has an open slot at the trailing edge. Located within the interior of the airfoil is a distributor having a series of small orifices which spray droplets toward the trailing edge of the airfoil with its open slot. As the dispersed liquid leaves the slot it is even further comminuted into much smaller droplets.

    The Picot patent shows a rotary liquid spray atomizer for aerial spraying. The atomizer is driven by a variable speed motor which may be driven by a variable speed AC generator.

    None of the methods or devices suggested for dispersing materials into the atmosphere suggests dispersing melanin for any purpose.

    SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION

    This invention is to a process for dispersing melanins incorporated into microsize microspheres into the atmosphere at a level below the ozone layer to absorb UV rays, particularly those having a wavelength of 250-400 nanometers and more particularly those at 320-400 nanometers, coming through the ozone layer before they reach the Earth's surface.

    http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/303436.shtml
    A New Look At A Mystery Of The Skies by Colin Bennett




    The so-called “chemtrails” that are seen almost everywhere in the skies of the world are an incredible phenomenon of our time, if only because like UFO sightings, the broad span of social, political, and intellectual life of major nations largely ignores such things utterly. Even those with imagination (artists, playwrights, novelists, poets) ignore such anomalistic things as UFOs and chemtrails, even though they offer images, symbols, metaphors, intrigue, mysterious technology, and much more besides! This changing of the skies of the world full previously of traditional pantomime clouds to a sky scored by lines of whitish-grey streaks is totally ignored by major news, media, and communication outlets. This is strange again given that the effects are quite spectacular and beautiful when lit by the evening sun. The trails spread out at different rates, they come from different angles, and the aircraft that create them can be seen streaking across the sky, often several at once, and at extremely high speeds. The word “chemtrails” is used here for lack of a better word, but it is unlikely that what we see spreading out across the sky are chemicals of some sort. Such an amount of chemicals would surely have the most immediate and obvious effect on both our minds and environment. We would be please to hear from environmental group who have more specialized knowledge about any kind of chemical/environmental approach.

    Over the past year, the Combat Diaries team have conducted a special investigation of chemtrails over Britain. With the help of specialists (some ex Royal Air Force), we conducted a 16 hour period of observation by web, telephone, and amateur radio of the skies over America and Central Europe, from first light to last light, taking into account time differences. The results were quite disturbing. It was obvious that simultaneous operation by large numbers of quite visible aircraft were being mounted over continental areas on both sides of the Atlantic. Through contacts, we managed also to get reports on this selected same day from the civilian staff of merchant and cruise ships crossing the Atlantic. They reported that sky trails were visible in whilst sailing in mid Atlantic.

    Thus we concluded that chemtrails represent a continuous operation of incredible magnitude. The aircraft involved show remarkably similar characteristic and performance, though their profile we have yet to find in any book of aircraft recognition. Roughly, they resemble in shape and size the Boeing 757 (the type that crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11), but carried no markings. This is remarkable in itself, because technically it is illegal. Measured by range theodolite and ex-service hand-held rangefinders, they were doing approximately the same speed at the same height. The speed was steady, quite precisely maintained, being 1200 –1400 mph. This is somewhat high for an outmoded passenger aircraft type, meant for inland short/medium range commuter flights at a top speed of 450 mph!...
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    Re: The Truth About Chemtrails

    The possibility that some civilian aircraft are involved, as some claim, does not mean that all aircraft have to be involved. Civilian aircraft could be used to supplement the tankers that one sees (or I, at any rate, see) doing the spraying.

    I have never seen civilian aircraft leaving long-lasting condensation trails, but I have seen pictures of them doing so, e.g. in "Airliners." So my answer to the question of whether civilian airliners are involved or not is: "I don't know." If someone could find evidence that civilian airliners are involved, and are receiving subsidies for their services in carrying out deliberate pollution, making possible cheap airline tickets, this would be useful information in my opinion.
    Let us deal gently with the truth. No more scaremongering: about nukes, about the climate, about terrorists, about anything.

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    The possibility that some civilian aircraft are involved, as some claim, does not mean that all aircraft have to be involved. Civilian aircraft could be used to supplement the tankers that one sees (or I, at any rate, see) doing the spraying.

    I have never seen civilian aircraft leaving long-lasting condensation trails, but I have seen pictures of them doing so, e.g. in "Airliners." So my answer to the question of whether civilian airliners are involved or not is: "I don't know." If someone could find evidence that civilian airliners are involved, and are receiving subsidies for their services in carrying out deliberate pollution, making possible cheap airline tickets, this would be useful information in my opinion.
    I don't know exactly what the discussion between you and 'Jeff Reynolds' is as I have him ignore listed but I do agree with him on the point of " Not all aircraft are involved", this is from a post that I made at,....

    http://community.discovery.com/eve/f...8/m/9831958278

    ...Excerpt...

    "As we watch the sky's meticulously criss crossed by groups of jets flying with military precision making so many, so called persistent contrails that should only occur rarely and are solely dependant on just the right atmospheric conditions, not every time that a jet passes overhead, it becomes impossible not to believe that Chemtrail / aerosol spraying is taking place.

    It's not being done by the average commercial airlines because they fly set courses between destinations, point "A" to point "B" with as little deviation as possible in-between to save on fuel cost, how much would an air fair cost if they where flying circles and criss crossing grid formations all over the sky between destinations, seriously though, it just would not be practical or economic for any airline to be involved in conducting these strange flight patterns that we observe with the Chemtrail spraying.

    It is known that military type aircraft (Tankers) and conversion type aircraft have been photographed and identified flying just such strange flight patterns as described above and always leaving "persistent spreading contrails" even when the atmospheric conditions are not conducive to the formation of persistent spreading contrails. How then if there is not enough humidity, the correct low temperature necessary and the lack of ice saturated air can these aircraft leave so many "persistent spreading contrails", the only way that I know of is if they are not contrails at all but rather some material being aerosolized and sprayed behind the aircraft in question. ( Chemtrails )"

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    I do take exception with a few ideas that I excerpted above.

    1)"This changing of the skies of the world full previously of traditional pantomime clouds to a sky scored by lines of whitish-grey streaks is totally ignored by major news, media, and communication outlets. This is strange again given that the effects are quite spectacular and beautiful when lit by the evening sun."

    Jeremy Benford also spoke of how beautiful the aircraft lines could be. I find nothing asthetically pleasing about fake lines and skies.

    2)"The word “chemtrails” is used here for lack of a better word, but it is unlikely that what we see spreading out across the sky are chemicals of some sort. Such an amount of chemicals would surely have the most immediate and obvious effect on both our minds and environment. We would be please(d) to hear from environmental group who have more specialized knowledge about any kind of chemical/environmental approach."

    Some say that chemicals are not always bad, that the problem is when there are too many of them accumulating. I do agree that if there were huge amounts of chemicals in these trails, then they should show up on the ground and with medical trends. I believe that the chemtrails are harmful to us, but that harming or mind controlling us are not the focus of the chemtrailing. I believe that health effects are a byproduct of the activities.

    I am interested in reports of increased asthma and other respiratory illnesses over the last ten years. I believe that morgellons may indeed be a result of the program, but I am not a doctor, I am just someone who sees what I see and wonders like everyone else wtf is going on. I am curious if there are documented increases in skin conditions, headaches, etc. correlating with exposure to what is going on above us. The first step is to get people to see that something has changed over the last ten years as regards to the atmosphere and cloud systems.

    As to all aircraft not being involved, I am surprised that this even has to be debated. Those who have seen chemtrailing over an hour or two hour period can see that a small number of planes can cover a wide grid of the sky with their emissions. The Discovery Channel program showed that commercial aircraft jet fuel came out clean as regards to what is generally proposed to be the main ingredients in the chemtrails. The military jet fuel on the otherhand is off limits to test and also doesn't have to comply with the strict sulfur specifications applied to commercial jet fuel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halva View Post
    The possibility that some civilian aircraft are involved, as some claim, does not mean that all aircraft have to be involved. Civilian aircraft could be used to supplement the tankers that one sees (or I, at any rate, see) doing the spraying.

    I have never seen civilian aircraft leaving long-lasting condensation trails, but I have seen pictures of them doing so, e.g. in "Airliners." So my answer to the question of whether civilian airliners are involved or not is: "I don't know." ....
    Civilian aircraft could be transferred to the operations with the identifying markings deleted.

    Normal contrails can look very much like chemtrails in photographs. Photos do not allow to see what happens to the trails after their release. I think that there is supposed to be a gap between the exhaust and when the trail starts. This is because contrails are formed as a result of interacting with cold, moist air. Chemtrails however appear to shoot out directly from the chemplanes.

    Aviation trails are really something that need to be observed over the course of a few minutes to a few hours or more to determine whether they are deliberate geoengineering or are just normal dissipating contrails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou View Post

    "As we watch the sky's meticulously criss crossed by groups of jets flying with military precision making so many, so called persistent contrails that should only occur rarely and are solely dependant on just the right atmospheric conditions, not every time that a jet passes overhead, it becomes impossible not to believe that Chemtrail / aerosol spraying is taking place.

    It's not being done by the average commercial airlines because they fly set courses between destinations, point "A" to point "B" with as little deviation as possible in-between to save on fuel cost, how much would an air fair cost if they where flying circles and criss crossing grid formations all over the sky between destinations, seriously though, it just would not be practical or economic for any airline to be involved in conducting these strange flight patterns that we observe with the Chemtrail spraying.

    It is known that military type aircraft (Tankers) and conversion type aircraft have been photographed and identified flying just such strange flight patterns as described above and always leaving "persistent spreading contrails" even when the atmospheric conditions are not conducive to the formation of persistent spreading contrails. How then if there is not enough humidity, the correct low temperature necessary and the lack of ice saturated air can these aircraft leave so many "persistent spreading contrails", the only way that I know of is if they are not contrails at all but rather some material being aerosolized and sprayed behind the aircraft in question. ( Chemtrails )"
    Yes, not only does one need a few hours to see how the emissions evolve into the fake haze, one needs a few hours to see how strange the flight patterns are that the "chemmies" say they are witnessing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Reynolds View Post
    Jeremy Benford also spoke of how beautiful the aircraft lines could be. I find nothing asthetically pleasing about fake lines and skies.
    His name is Gregory Benford.
    Let us deal gently with the truth. No more scaremongering: about nukes, about the climate, about terrorists, about anything.

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