Chemtrail Forums are Indeed Fake!

[Jeff Reynolds]

I can't think of one chemtrail forum that doesn't seem infiltrated by fakery. Whether they were established by hacks and shills or whether they are so badly moderated that the insidious paid trolls were able to dominate, I do not know. But so very, very much about them do not add up.

Now who is this Jim Phelps, and why do so many act as if he is anything but an internet invention to obfuscate the chemtrail program? Same goes for Weatherman717. He talks of his chemtrail formulas, and how he is set to sell them to China or Russia if the USAF doesn't stop "stealing his snow". Aubuchont, Halva, they are interacting with him as if he is to be taken seriously based on his own words.

What about Starman over at Chemtrail Central? How come at Gastronamus Cafe we all were talking about how bad that place had become, how Starman was the last person who should be made moderator? Increase1776 I believe even started that thread. Now, he and Aubuchont are buddy buddy with him over at CTC.

What about my cousin Jay Reynolds? How come when I put up solid videos of chemtrail activity and dared him to show similar activity ever taking place before 1997, he runs away? Maybe his bosses are upset over his battered image, due to the William Cooper association and his inability to continue the hoax, what with all the evidence there is. Just look at the links below. If he is so eager to prove chemtrails are a hoax, one would think he could have tracked down old footage showing the same activity. But he can't, so he has gone away and ignored the question he cannot answer. He is in fact the one who has been promoting a hoax all these years. It looks like he got relocated at least for the time being to this website. It appears that he is a poster named "Ender".

http://alaskafreepress.com/msgboard/board/799

It's a goofy forum for the WhatReallyHappened website, but I guess Jay will go anywhere anytime in order to continue with his hoax.

Well at the least the Halvar/Foot Soldier/Jay Reynolds scripted charade has been exposed. All we need now is to take the necessary legal actions to stop the chemtrailing. More than enough people are aware of it. It is time to get it stopped. It would help if a Rosie O'Donnell came out against chemtrails like she did with the WTC7 "controlled demolition". We shall see.


Non-commercial aircraft are ruining our atmosphere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xcf84CFEKQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B5ygeWs88k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaRVA1HKLiM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GScDvyLFXlM

[kola]

I think they are some who are serious hardcore debunkers but not many. Others are legitimate and still learning ( such as I). Others have good knowledge but are close-minded and cannot see anything but their way.. even though it may be not entirley correct.

This aerosol spraying operation is a big puzzle. I do not think anyone has the answers except the goons behind it.

We have very little(if any) real proof to distinguish what the hell is coming out of these planes.

We have had 7-8 years of this shit and we still have no proof of who the fuck is doing it.

It continues to escalate...more pollution, and increasing frequency of sprayings.

So really.. what the fuck are we doing? Pure speculation. Yes we can present some good info and make some sense of it all and discuss facts to back-up our theories and ideas but that is all we have. We do not have any whistle-blowers, no legitmate confessions and not a single shred of hardcore evidence. We can prove (hands down) they are NOT contrails and that is a plus. But still we come up pretty friggin short as to proving what they are, what they are doing and who the fuck is doing it.

But you, Socrates, seem to think that 99.9% of the people are out to get you and that anyone interested in chemtrails is a phoney and/or a debunking government paid goon. More and more folks are FINALLY learning about the 911 coverup and it is the same with the chemtrail issue. I do not think it is beneficial to attack folks who may be interested in reading AND contributing their comments about the topic of aerosol spraying. I tend to believe HAARP has a role to play with chemtrails. You don't. That does not make me a Yaak. I think a lot of us (me especially) are very frustrated that this chemical spraying experiment continues and that we are practically powerless. It is a real nightmare and we have yet to see the magnitude of damage that may surface as time goes on.

2 cents and a penny more,
Kola

[halva]

The tirelessly slanderous JR2 clearly will not be happy until he gets his namesake back here again. And doubtless he is content that because no-one knows who he really is he does not have to worry about being held personally responsible in the real world.

All of this is what gives the Internet a bad name.

[halva]

Kola's "what the fuck are we doing" question is a question we could all well ask ourselves. I can explain what I am doing. I am pursuing a strategy based on the calculation that because geoengineers like Crutzen justify their spraying proposals on the alleged reality that climate change contrarians and the lobbies behind them will prevent the implementation of more acceptable solutions, there is something to be said for the idea of targeting the contrarians as a first step towards resolving our problem.

If JR2 or others want to criticize that strategy on the basis of ideas rather than unsubstantiated, unsubstantiatable and cowardly (because anonymous) slander, then they might deserve, and get, more respect than is accorded to any other piece of disruptive vermin that comes to these open forums.

[halva]

Personally I prefer it to a strategy of waiting for a mass-media fairy-godmother Rosie O'Donnell to come along to make everything all right by magic. In the meantime pouring shit on everyone with whom one is acquainted in situations of relative equality (i.e. the possibility of two-way communication).

What fault is it of ours that we can't have the respect that Socrates/Jeff Reynolds would give us if we appeared on his television?

[Jeff Reynolds]

I think [there] are some who are serious hardcore debunkers but not many. Others are legitimate and still learning ( such as I). Others have good knowledge but are close-minded and cannot see anything but their way.. even though it may be not entirely correct.

Thanks for the response. I am glad to see you are no longer claiming I am Ed Snell. I believe that since we are human, our emotions can often overtake our sensibilities. It's like when we are in the "heat of battle", we can say things we later regret. Yet, I stand behind nearly everything I have ever posted. I noticed over at Megasprayer that Chem11 has found a new punching bag in yourself. I always thought that he was one of the best chemtrail posters, but when I went into his ideas more deeply, I found out that he has the same ideas of Big Bunny, Deborah, and Jay Reynolds, that what we are seeing comes from all aircraft. But the video evidence suggests otherwise. These planes are going too fast and on such crazy routes to be normal commercial routes. Chem11 clearly has some kind of agenda going on with his website. How come he mentions so rarely that military and commercial jet fuel have tremendous differences with specifications, but that he allows Big Bunny to keep talking about how our friendly commercial airports are involved with the chemtrails? As regards to Chem11's fight club, it is like living in the same house as one's landlord. They might spout about equality, that all are equal, but then wham, they use their ownership in unfair ways as regards to debating.

I think you are correct that there are not that many hardcore debunkers anymore. I believe that there are more nutty "believers" than insidious debunkers. The debunkers to me are your Foot Soldiers, Big Bunnys, and Chem11's. And it is quite strange that Chem11 allows Smell/Yaak to post at his place.

The debunkers no longer serve any purpose. There is just too much photographic/video evidence that chemtrails are real. That is why I think the tinfoil by association is and has always been a much worse problematic for growth in chemtrail awareness.

This aerosol spraying operation is a big puzzle. I do not think anyone has the answers except the goons behind it.

We have very little(if any) real proof to distinguish what the hell is coming out of these planes.

We have had 7-8 years of this shit and we still have no proof of who the fuck is doing it.

It continues to escalate...more pollution, and increasing frequency of sprayings.

So really.. what the fuck are we doing? Pure speculation. Yes we can present some good info and make some sense of it all and discuss facts to back-up our theories and ideas but that is all we have. We do not have any whistle-blowers, no legitmate confessions and not a single shred of hardcore evidence. We can prove (hands down) they are NOT contrails and that is a plus. But still we come up pretty friggin short as to proving what they are, what they are doing and who the fuck is doing it.

I agree with nearly all of this. This is why I think we need to get back to basics and just show as many people as possible the videos, photographs, etc.. I believe that we should talk to strangers and point out chemtrailing in real time whenever we can. Rabbit holes like Jim Phelps do not help the cause. A prolific chemtrail poster keeps blabbing on about Phelps and Deep Shield when such shady sources only support claims made by "debunkers". On one thread here, Jay Reynolds told Jim Phelps that he was going to expose him, yet he never did. Arcadia once posted that he saw proof of Phelps talking with Congress. yet, he and no one else has ever provided proof of who exactly this Jim Phelps is. People do not want to keep scrolling at forums in order to read some good nuggets. The fakes have nothing to prove that chemtrails are contrails or that chemtrails derive from all sorts of aircraft. All they have are rabbit holes and tinfoil.

But you, Socrates, seem to think that 99.9% of the people are out to get you and that anyone interested in chemtrails is a phoney and/or a debunking government paid goon. More and more folks are FINALLY learning about the 911 coverup and it is the same with the chemtrail issue. I do not think it is beneficial to attack folks who may be interested in reading AND contributing their comments about the topic of aerosol spraying. I tend to believe HAARP has a role to play with chemtrails. You don't. That does not make me a Yaak. I think a lot of us (me especially) are very frustrated that this chemical spraying experiment continues and that we are practically powerless. It is a real nightmare and we have yet to see the magnitude of damage that may surface as time goes on.

2 cents and a penny more,
Kola

I don't think they are out to get me. I think that they don't mind people like me as long as their nonsense is still able to dominate chemtrail threads. I believe that their goal is to get people to stop investigating chemtrails or to believe that it is just another crazy internet theory.

I have come across many posts that appear genuine. Yet, the vast majority of posts on chemtrail forums do not seem to be real.

Who is this Ellyn at Chemtrail Centrail?

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread11935.html

This is pure tinfoil. Now as regards to Haarp, I am not sure of what exactly it has to do with chemtrails. It may or may not have plenty to do with it. That's why I try not to get involved with discussions on it. This is why I do believe that we need to get back to the basics, to go grassroots on this, to get as many people as possible to be aware of the chemtrail activities.

Ellyn was banned a ways back when the Swampgas/Arcadia/Increase clique was in full moderating control at CTC. Then there was a huge section at CTC called CTC Changes, where Swamp and others explained why they were done with CTC and moving on. Then the threads disappeared. I asked Swamp and Increase about it, but they really had zip to offer on it. You can see at Gastro that there were a number of threads where we were all piling on CTC. One thread was even all about Starman, their new moderator. The thread was started by Increase. Now all of a sudden Aubuchont and Increase are buddies with him. Aubuchont and Halvar recently even here were interacting with Weatherman717 eventhough Swamp and others were always stating that weatherman717 is a fake. What about Scott Stevens? He has posted before about Japanese mafias involved in weather wars. How can Aubuchont promote Stevens so much when there is so much evidence of Stevens posting nutty thoughts like this?

I believe that ManandNature is a sincere person. He too voiced concern about CTC turning into a joke. I believe that ChickenLittle is real. I don't know how many are fakes and how many are real on these forums. But I do think that the craziness turns real people away from making chemtrail posts. Then on the other side you have the fake debunkers badgering anyone who has questions about the composition of the skies.

Over at Megasprayer, there is someone named Tenger who posted about Deborah being so scientific and articulate in explaining our atmospheric realities. Now myself, I have never seen much more from her than a lot of copying and pasting, with no explanations. I have never seen her make even one post that seems to have to do with chemtrails. Then one may wonder what is she doing on these chemtrail boards all these years, if she doesn't even believe that they are real.

Then you also have this Halvar posting quite often the illusion that he is a major player in the politics of chemtrails. He tries to make it seem that Rosalind Peterson thinks this too. I bet if she gets around to reviewing his posting habits, that she must be very disappointed to have had any contact with him. This is the same clown who continues to promote Deep Shield and Jim Phelps as being real.

Maybe I have bitched as much as I can about chemtrail internet fakery. I do however believe that it is important for newbies and others to keep the bullshit detectors in working order. Then when they can see that there is this abundance of nuttiness, they might be able to ask why is there so much nonsense being put out by fake believers and fake debunkers? Is it because chemtrails are real?


Here is more evidence that specific aircraft are behind the chemtrails. Now where is my cousin Jay's evidence that this is normal, that it has been going on since planes were invented. There must be evidence from old footage other than from military war planes. And if what we are seeing is from military aircraft, why are there so many of them flying over our civilian skies? I think we need to get laws passed to stop this. I understand your frustration. I understand all chemmies' frustration. I do appreciate how you went after Yaak at Carnicom's to show proof of chemtrails from before the late 90's. Part of the reason I think you are could be for real is because of those types of posts you made and the fact that you admit that we are human and make mistakes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YNCxhpTceY

[kola]

btw, I belive it was swampgas who said you were ed smell/yaack etc. It is tough to figure out who the fuck is who.

I have not visited CTC. I may take a look. Honestly, I get tired of sifting through all the shit and garbage.

I forget to mention that IMO there are idiots posting about chemtrails using multiple usernames. So, you take an asswipe like Ed snell and he has 20 usernames and floods forums...or that other pyscho-bitch deborah-kadabra/stinky-foot-soldier. Or bigbunny flooding the fuckin posts.

Megasprayer has nothing to offer as far a chemical spray operations go. Chem11 has a bulleye on his ass to attract his boyfriends. other than that, my beef with chem11 was over him not knowing the IRS codes and legal matters. It had nothing to do with his dimwitted view about chems. He couldn't answer simple questions about the IRS nor did he even bother to educate his white honky ass . I pushed him to the brink as I knew he was chicken shit and ignorant. His only rebuttal was to ban me. He had no other choice. He looked like a fool. Is this rumpranger also under the username Chemtemplation? He tries to write like some Harvard gay yuppie but he is just another harmless annoying mosquito wearing a bullseye target on his scrawny ass,

need clarification? LOL

Kola

[kola]

I have still not seen any valid evidence of chemtrail operationsfrom years past. (1990 and back)

kola

[Jeff Reynolds]

btw, I believe it was swampgas who said you were ed smell/yaack etc. It is tough to figure out who the fuck is who.

That's crazy of Swampgas. I remember one of the last posts I wrote at Gastro. It was after Swamp had said that I may or may not be a disinfo agent. So I posted the same thing about him. This was on one of the members only threads. He had me running around in circles on Yaak/Ed Snell. I was all over archives there and at the other places. He even said that he thinks Lib here at DBS is LuLu from early CTC or works with her giving out info on posters. I don't believe that. I think Swampgas is the one sharing info with other websites. I got banned from Rigorous Intuition because Swamp gave Arcadia my address. Now I can't even visit there or at Gastro. But I don't care. I bet I am not missing much.

Swampgas should have banned Halvar also along with me if he was for real. I couldn't have been any more disruptive than Halvar. I was actually producing a lot of chemtrail material threads, quite unlike this Greek asshat who never saw a thread he couldn't take off-topic. But for some reason Swamp never acknowledged this. This is why I think Swamp might actually be part of the forum fakery, that he himself is a cointelpro type, like Chem11, like Foot Soldier, Jay Reynolds, Yaak, Big Bunny, etc..

Big Bunny, Arcadia, Foot Soldier/Deborah, BoomerChick, Chem11, chickieDeb, WMM, Yaak, all these types are meant to show that one can believe in chemtrails, but that eventually they will see it is something else, that it is about global warming and pollution changing the atmosphere and not military/NATO aircraft. BoomerChick and Foot Soldier, both at this board, their psy-op along with Yaak who also was a "chemmie" long ago, their gig is that don't worry, all aircraft are involved, there is no spray operation.

Or you get other fakes at other forums spamming about ufo's and orgone machines, along with "debunkers" asking "us" why are they spraying "us" like bugs, even if we don't phrase the subject like that. The best evidence there is suggests that it is specific aircraft deliberately manufacturing fake cloud cover. Hopefully people keep videotaping, photographing, and documenting. If we can get the masses to approach the issue like Dewey is, then the cat will be miles away from the bag.

I have not visited CTC. I may take a look. Honestly, I get tired of sifting through all the shit and garbage.

Megasprayer is part of the same network as Chemtrail Central. Swampgas was a mod at CTC. Carnicom gets posted by Rense. It is like that drum company that makes it seem that there is no monopoly, when in fact all one needs to do is engine search, and find all these same websites being linked to excessively.

I forget to mention that IMO there are idiots posting about chemtrails using multiple usernames. So, you take an asswipe like Ed snell and he has 20 usernames and floods forums...or that other pyscho-bitch deborah-kadabra/stinky-foot-soldier. Or bigbunny flooding the fuckin posts.

I agree. It can feel like that Joe Schmoe Show, where the few are real people, while the rest are scripted spookery. Chemtemplation and Carnicom are kind of like that Jim Phelps guy, spouting a lot of religion. Mech is the "Libertarian". Others like mmmmbarium are the pure tinfoil. Swampgas is the "hippie". Then you got others who are so sure there is no man-made global warming. Then you have these others like Deborah who never shut up about it, yet still have nothing to say on chemtrails. It's as if many different stereotypes have been presented in an attempt to herd as many of us as possible towards their scripted, cointelpro type forums.

[Jeff Reynolds]

OK, I am not sure if Carnicom is a religious dude, but I heard he is ex-military. I am not going to throw him under the bus, but it does seem that he has pushed theories in the past that made "chemmies" look tinfoilish, e.g. the biologicals. And then such ideas spread out to CTC and other places. Thermit at CTC has seemed to be someone to trust, but he too seems to have allowed a lot of tinfoil to go unchallenged. Plus he is making money off of all this through his conspiracy tinfoil network. He did have that one study showing the difference between contrails and chemtrails, but I read him once where he was saying that most of what we are seeing are not chemtrails. That sounds just like foot soldier or Jay Reynolds saying that chemtrails are contrails, with the former saying this is bad, while the other says they are signs of peace and prosperity. To me they are both the same. Thermit, Jay Reynolds/William Cooper/Yaak, Chem11/Deborah-- they all sound the same on a very fundamental level. Then the million dollar question is why if they do not believe in chemtrails have they been all over these chemtrail boards all these years?

I think they are fucking with the weather. It is that simple. They want to own it.