The elusive "ctc changes" thread

[may41970]

There was a thread at Chemtrail Central called "CTC Changes," which was accessible until several months ago. Now, it's gone. This thread might have helped to backup Jeff's assertion that "most chemtrail sites/forums are fake."

Here's my recent query in regard to "ctc changes." I've also e-mailed thermit with the same question.

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread11993.html


May

[Jeff Reynolds]

Hi May41970. I definitely appreciate you looking into this. My memory is a bit foggy, I thought there was more than one thread. I thought CTC Changes was an actual section like Free Form or Chemtrail Science. The threads completely explained why Swampgas, Mech, Increase, and the others were fed up with Chemtrail Central. I am shocked that Increase and Starman are acting dumb on it. When I asked Swamp and Increase about it at Gastro, the crickets started chirping. Those threads explained so much. I am not going to jump to quick conclusions on this one yet, but it did seem like a red flag to me while at my last Gastronamus days. Swamp backing Halvar too was strange. And when he started asking me if I was a Jew, it felt like it had finally dawned on me that there is this whole concoction of fake chemtrail forums.

Like what is up with Thermit. He had that study way back when supporting the not all aircraft are involved idea. Then later on I would see him saying that most of what we are seeing are contrails. Then he lets that whole place disintegrate. He has that conspiracy x network that Megasprayer advertises. Starman was booted off a long time ago by Arcadia Ego. Increase made a thread at Gastro about wtf is starman doing back.

A bunch of us probably remember how often Swampgas has threatened to close his cafe from the public more than once. The time he restructured the chemtrail sections, a lot of links seemed to be changed. It seems like the fakes are trying to cover their tracks. Swampgas should explain himself now or be considered to be in on all this fakery.

[Jeff Reynolds]

Dude, I think there was a reason we converged at the same time at CTC and then Gastro. It was around the time news came out about the Lincoln Group, Netvocates, the Rendon stuff. There was a whistleblower Doctor named Peter Rost at HuffingtonPost who uncovered a similar operation going on by some cat named Yacomink. Anyway, this astroturfing is real. If chemtrails was a crazy hoax, there would be no reason to play mind games with chemtrail forums. To me, this is more evidence that chemtrails are real.

Maybe CTC Changes was a sticky thread. Maybe it was a whole section with a bunch of threads. But, you are correct, they did have a lot of influence on my ideas. Swamp invited us out of CTC for Gastro. He had me running around in circles about Yaak/ Ed Smell. I think we finally have them on the run. Increase asking you why you would even care about the threads, wtf kind of response is that? If these punks aren't disinfo, they certainly have memory problems. I also noticed Starman labelled you as an instigator of "chaos".

[Jeff Reynolds]

Increase1776 was asking you on another thread what your name means. He was acting crazy, someone mentioned maybe it is the date for the Kent State Massacre. He was bitchy towards that person, saying he wanted to hear it from you, implying that there is something insidious about you.

I think you were brilliant to ask Thermit himself where is the thread{s}. There is no need for secrecy like Starman and Increase are trying to browbeat you into. These types are always turning on the messenger. Instead of discussing what they remember of the CTC Changes posts, one wants you to pm Thermit, the other is curious about what is so enlightening about them.

Starman calls you a creator of chaos.
He says I am also out to create chaos.

My name is FUIwon'tDoWhatUTellMe at CTC. Starman said that this is a subliminal for feud with me.
He wrote that because I had that long chemtrail subliminal thread at Gastronamus Cafe. I found that also kind of strange that Starman was even reading at Swamp's place.

A lot of these people are coming across as being paid spooks.

[Jeff Reynolds]

Increase1776 is yet another in a long list of internet chemtrail characters, like Lord Jay, who is just another proven liar.

On your new CTC thread, posted by Increase1776:

No one suggested a need for secrecy! What is there in this "secret thread ",that you need to know?Enlighten us .

I have found one very short thread in the free form section so far:
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thread10366.html

posted by the fake character named Increase1776 on Jan 31, 2006:

I wish to bear no resonsibility for anything published on this site from this day forward, therefore I wish to be removed as moderator. increase 1776 Monday, January 30, 2006. Jeanie said it all. The moderators have been bailing long and hard to keep the CTC site afloat.Many long days and nights coming up with ideas,doing detective work, doing our best to keep the dis-info debunkers from disrupting what we all put our hearts and souls in for almost six years.None of us are or were looking for a pat on the back for the work and contributions.All we wanted was a sight to be proud of.The Captain has made us walk the plank.Let's see if he's man enough to go down with his ship.It's been a pleasure to work with everyone here.Thermit,"We coulda been contenders".Now we surrender. Peace and Love Ellyn it would be nice to hear something from you about your access problems,and why so many IP addresses

These are either asshat spooks or people with convenient amnesia.

[may41970]

Hi Jeff, I know that Gastronamus has banned you both from posting and reading at their site. So I've copied down some parts from my first-ever thread at Gastro. (The whole thing wouldn't fit, so I had to leave a few posts out)



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Re: Just Came Here from Chemtrail Central
« Reply #2 on Jul 3, 2006, 11:45pm »
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from swampgas:

Hi may41970,

Welcome to Gastronamus,

Curious, where did you find the link at CTC? It was pretty much a word of mouth that got the entire old mod team, plus newbies were turned on by the vets.


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from me:

Swampgas,

A CTC poster named "FUIwon'tdowhatyoutellme," mentioned Gastronamus twice - once on the "Netvocates" thread, and again on the "I Will no longer be posting at CTC thread." My guess is he found out about Gastro somewhere in "CTC Changes" thread, but I could be wrong.



"Good luck to all. I hope Thermit can do right and fix this. If people want silly debate on whether chemtrails are real, they should go to debate both sides. If the site can clean itself up, then perhaps I will return to posting. The violent remarks need to be deleted. I will not be affiliated with a website where such comments are allowed to remain. Those who troll shouldn't be allowed to post here either. There are too many rabbit holes as it is. It is a shame. This place really is a lot different for the worse since all the moderators took off. Peace. "
[posted by FUI]


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from Swampgas:


Yes, after reading that thread I see. We had a massive thread here, and recently closed it down, regarding what happened at CTC (it is still archived, but invisible except to me and Thetaloops).

Any one of the mods can tell you what happened:

sickle (Et in Arcadia Ego)
Increase1776
Mech
Jeanie
CDsNutz
BigJoe
Mark Sky (What happened to him?)

Did I forget anyone? Sorry if I did.

There were and still are posters who would come and post the "blast the planes out of the sky threads", and then Jay JohnnySpray would call the FBI. We literally had to be covered 24/7, and needed a big team to do it. We would delete these threads very rapidly, and I would back up the entire site once a week ( I still have CTC archived in the pre-Katrina/mop/starman1 onslaught).

Then Thermit complains that Ellyn could not get in becasue we had banned an IP that was an AOL proxy. This was one poster, that's all. I said let's lift her IP ban, but keep all the rest. Thermit then cans all of the IPs, and literally it becomes a free for all. Reynolds, Smell (in his many disguises), Mach10, Spikey, ad nauseum are back, and there is a debunker now moderating the site. This was the same back in 2001 with an admin, who was forwarding IP addresses to Maverick's, along with email addresses. Thermit is a dope when it comes to security.

Right now, there are some suspicious people joining here, and I guarantee........

One out of bounds debunker sets foot, I will ban them quicker than a New York minute.


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from swampgas:
[the quotes are from may41970]

Well, Of course we would be suspicious of anyone coming from CTC, but you seem to be credible. All of the mods went off and created new sites, and Gastro just happened to be there already, so it became an alternative to CTC, but with a wider scope, and careful monitoring. So, don't hesitate to voice your opinion. I wasn't talking about banning you, but any trolls, disruptors, or debunkers.



Quote:A search on the net turned up posts by an ex-moderator by the name of "Lulu." Need I say more? (If so, let me know)



Nothing else needs to be said.


Quote:My recent discovery of "Netvocates" is proof of something that I've long suspected. Paid shills are a reality. As Thermit runs the site, he can access the IP addresses of those who post there. He knows where each poster is posting from. If someone is posting from Netvocates or Gov't location, he would know this at once.



We have known this for a long while. Amazing what uncreative types do with their time and our money.


Quote:People like "Mr. Jones" and "Tenderflower" are allowed to make apparently unlimited posts. These people spam the board with shit. Loads of irrelevant, assinine comments and links that no doubt give the impression to outsiders that the "chemtrails people" are total looneys. Maybe Mr. Jones is simply a bored man with nothing better to do with his time than spam CTC. But if Thermit really wanted to bring credibility to the subject of chemtrails, why would he allow Jones to turn the entire board into a "conspiracy theorists' paradise?" Also, note Mr. Jones comment to my "I'm leaving CTC too." Quite an attack, I must say.



As much as I go to CTC now, I didn't really get the impression from them like that. Perhaps you have been following the board more closely, and notice it more. 9/11 is tied into chemtrails, through Oil company induced and accelerated Global Warming and War Profits. I don't follow UFO's too closely, but believe they exist, either Inter-Dimensional, Extra-terrestrial, or Human Made. So, to me "Conspiracy Theories" belong right along with Aerosol Mitigation. The only other choice is "Coincidence Theories"

We used to have someone called "Julian Penrod". His address is an empty lot in West Caldwell, NJ. I always thought he was Gov. Penrod was a total crackpot, and was poisoning the well. Then there was Jim Phelps. This guy was taking credit for inventing everything from Fire to HAARP. Total looney. Then the 100 or so disguises of Jason. More Psyops. The only "debunkers" I actually semi-got along with was theseeker and B1BLancer. Every other one was and is potential think tank goonery.


Quote:Has anyone noticed how the debunkers, spooks, trolls, paid trolls, consistently attack the chemtrails boards, yet don't bother to ridicule those who post about ghosts, or Loch Ness, or Bigfoot, or UFOs from outer space, etc. Why would someone be willing to pay money to debunk those who want to bring attention to chemtrails? I think CTC is a bogus site. I suspect that "Thermit" isn't stupid, only corrupt.



I agree 100%. I have always said this. The UFO movement was hijacked in a similar fashion by "debunkers" because there is truth in it, and the government is involved. Ghosts are nothing the government is worried about, unless they intend on building a Ghost Army to fight in the Middle East. CTC is about a corrupt site as you can get. The design was to discredit and confuse the search for the Truth behind Aerosol Mitigation and Geo-Engineering. As far as Thermit, he just has too many sites to maintain. Maybe he was leaned on by the Goon Squad, or maybe he always was an agent provocateur


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from david:

Since the departure of the mod team and Thermits 'open the door and let em in' policy, CTC has lost it's validity as a chemtrail research/information sharing site.


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from swampgas:

David, you were on CTC even before me, Mech, and Increase1776. When Lulu came as moderator is when it lost it's credibility. Now it is a sad and dangerous place, much like driving through the South Bronx.


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from socrates:

Hi, it's me. I am out of there also. I left a post yesterday saying that the remaining "pilot" who survived the recent bannings was also a troll. Then it turns out he got banned. I don't even want to keep talking about this. It's just more of those JohnnySpray rabbit hole tactics.

Hello Gastronamus Cafe.


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http://gastronamus.proboards27.com/i...ead=1151938046

[halva]

Swamp backing Halvar too was strange. And when he started asking me if I was a Jew, it felt like it had finally dawned on me that there is this whole concoction of fake chemtrail forums.

You are taking up too much space airing all this dirty linen, negating what you might be gaining in the livening up of discussion of chemtrails. There was also nothing wrong with Swamp asking you whether you are a Jew. In general you know much more about other people than they know about you. Here in Greece people often ask strangers what religion they are, and I must admit that I prefer Greek customs in this respect, (Does your attitude reflect "American customs"/).

A site that spends three quarters of its time analysing the shit at other sewer forums finally itself looks exactly the same as the sewer forums. Certainly newcomers will not be able to see any difference..

[Jeff Reynolds]

Thanks May41970, geez I was only around for a year or so, and then when I had trouble I kept on trying to survive, going to DemocraticUnderground as SocraticTruths, now here for the free speech.

What is to be gained by Increase1776 trying to lie his way out of this? I can't put it together whether these frauds are idiots or if they are so arrogant that they don't think any amateur web sleuths can put two and two together?

[Jeff Reynolds]

And look who shows up. It's the chief instigator on all these forums.

As usual he has nothing relevant to add. His role I believe is to bring threads to a screeching halt. Some fakes hide threads, others try to ruin them with their annoying troll activity.

[halva]

Well given that I am part of the reality, what do you propose to do about it? One possibility would be to pay attention to what I am saying, now that you have tried everything else, including petitioning the moderators (and other posters) to get me suspended.