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    The Chemtrail Thread: Aerosol Reports and Links

    The last three days in the Boston area, there has been no "spraying". The sky has returned to its more natural state. It only takes a certain amount of time for the crap to move on its way. This is why the spraying has to be done so often, if the fake overcasts are to be maintained. When there is the "overcast", it also becomes impossible to see what is being done above or near this deliberately produced haze.

    When "they" spray too often, it becomes incredibly obvious that "they" are messing with the skies with their Frankensteinian, atmospheric forcings. If they hadn't been so obvious all these years, I doubt KNBC, Los Angeles would have ever produced two balanced news reports on what has traditionally been astroturfed as being the name for some kooky conspiracy theory.

    Thank you Paul Moyer.

    Toxic Sky?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm6rbwVUxGU

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    skywatch (11 months ago)
    Did you know that over all of the UK, 4-5 days a week, we have the same trails and expanding haze clouds from jets obscuring our skies?

    On close up video, it can be seen that the jets are not airliners.

    Greg Benford said that barium oxide produces big fluffy clouds, where and when has this been tested?

    What are the health issues of this and what he calls 'benign' aluminium being sprayed across our skies?
    Toxic Sky? part 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKT0VflkoUE

    {On edit: I just looked at Toxic Sky, part 2. There is a strawman in there. Rosalind Peterson is portrayed as saying that barium and aluminum spiked from around 1986-1994, I'm not exactly sure on the dates. But the point is chemtrails are being argued to have started fiercely around 1997, so wtf was up with that? But it was good to see real chemtrail footage on KNBC, Los Angeles!
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    Re: The Chemtrail Thread: Aerosol Reports and Links

    Chemtrail Activist: Army of One
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xcf8...elated&search=




    Now here are some videos made by the British dude with the radio voice and amazing chemtrail footage. He captures a lot of the crazy routes/ plane maneuverings, along with evidence that particular aircraft exhaust is transforming into fake, milky-white overcasts. He also locates planes flying in the same area of chemplanes whose "contrails" dissipate naturally.

    Posted by Skywatch
    These are close ups of non commercial jets leaving thick white permanent trails across Cheshire, England June 5th-8th 2006.

    These trails were on the warmest driest days....

    Airliners at any altitude in the same skies leave no trails.

    You decide.
    CHEMTRAIL JETS CLOSE UPS Our skies are dying...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GScDv...elated&search=




    CHEMTRAILS or VAPOUR TRAILS?
    10AM November 15th 2006
    Cheshire, England.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sfrnT5DQHc

    I think one telltale sign of a chemtrail is when there is no gap between the "contrail" and the jet producing it. I think there should be a small gap, because it takes a bit of time for the hot exhaust to start interacting with the cold, ambient air.

    I also once came across the idea that chemtrails have too much actual mass to be normal contrails, that there is simply no way that exhaust spewed out by any aircraft should be able to spread out into so much fake haze, a new kind of ugly overcast first observed in the late nineties.
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    Re: Chemtrails are not Contrails

    I believe that commercial jets are screwing with the atmosphere. My contention, however, is that chemtrails are not contrails. Chemtrails are deliberately produced by specific aircraft with the intention of creating a fake overcast. While commercial aircraft emissions also suck, I do not believe that such jets ever create chemtrails.

    I am posting this next transcript from Nature.com, even though it is from a discussion on contrails.
    I do so in order to show that nowhere in the discussion does anyone mention contrails expanding into massive, fake cloud cover. There is also some good, basic info on the warming and cooling effects of aviation contrails, some good, basic science.


    http://www.nature.com/nature/podcast...006-06-15.html
    Nature: International Weekly Journal of Science

    Chris Smith: Hello, I'm Chris Smith and welcome to the 15th June edition of Nature's podcast. First up today we're taking to the air with Reading University's Nicola Stuber to find out why cheap flights actually cost the Earth and that's especially at nighttime and in the winter. It's all down to their contrails, those fluffy white exhaust fumes that planes leave behind them.

    Nicola Stuber: We discovered that flights during the nighttime are responsible for at least 60% of the climate warming associated with contrails, that's condensation trails, over the UK. That's despite the fact that they only amount to 25% of the daily total of flights. And the second thing we found is that flights between December and February cause about half the climate warming associated with contrails over the UK and so we get one half of the climate effect from just one quarter of the year and, actually, less than a quarter of the annual air traffic.

    Chris Smith: Now that sounds like a lot, but do the contrails actually make a significant difference to global warming?

    Nicola Stuber: The effect is currently small but air traffic has a large growth rate and is expected to grow quite significantly over the next years, so it's, actually, quite important to understand the mechanisms and how it affects climate.

    Chris Smith: This is just, literally, the exhaust coming out the back of a plane, isn't it?

    Nicola Stuber: Well, contrails is short for condensation trails, they form when the hot and moist aircraft exhaust mixes with the cold, surrounding, atmospheric air.

    Chris Smith: So how do they influence weather?

    Nicola Stuber: They act like high thin ice clouds, so they interact in two ways with solar radiation. They reflect some of the solar radiation back into space and it has a cooling effect on the Earth and, at the same time, they enhance the natural greenhouse effect of the atmosphere, and that's a warming effect.

    Chris Smith: Why are the nighttime and wintertime so much worse though?

    Nicola Stuber: The problem is that contrails, as I said, during the day they reflect some of the solar radiation back into space and that leaves us with a cooling effect of the Earth and then, during the daytime and during the night time, they enhance the natural greenhouse effect of the atmosphere. So the problem is, at night time, you no longer have sunshine so they no longer can reflect solar radiation so the warming effect, the greenhouse effect, of the contrails is no longer balanced and that's why a small proportion of flights results with a large impact of the daily average climate warming effect, due to contrails.

    Chris Smith: So, given that a small part of the day and a small part of the year, in total, make such a profound contribution, do you think, therefore, we should be changing when aeroplanes fly and at what time of year?

    Nicola Stuber: Rescheduling flights would certainly be one measure to think about if policy makers decided to reduce aviation, reduce climate change. Its not the only measure we could do, you could actually try to avoid forming contrails, so I think it's a combination of different measures, but rescheduling flights would have an impact really.

    Chris Smith: Nicola Stuber from the UK's Reading University.
    Ok, I see that the smart lady Nicola Stuber said stuff like:

    ...Well, contrails is short for condensation trails, they form when the hot and moist aircraft exhaust mixes with the cold, surrounding, atmospheric air.
    ...They act like high thin ice clouds



    Hmmmm, nothing on massive contrails turning into massive, fake cloud cover and haze. I have to assume this nice lady is unaware of chemtrails.

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    Re: The Chemtrail Thread: Aerosol Reports and Links

    This article might not prove that chemtrails are for fighting global warming, but it does show that there are Frankensteinian scientists who think we can play god with Mother Nature.

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/06/...nce/snwarm.php
    A Look at Fringe Ideas for Controlling Climate
    By William J. Broad The New York Times
    Published: June 28, 2006

    (NEW YORK) In the past few decades, a handful of scientists have come up with big, futuristic ways to fight global warming: Build sunshades in orbit to cool the planet. Tinker with clouds to make them reflect more sunlight back into space. Trick oceans into soaking up more heat-trapping greenhouse gases.

    Their proposals were relegated to the fringes of climate science.

    Few journals would publish them. Few government agencies would pay for feasibility studies. Environmentalists and mainstream scientists said the focus should have been on reducing greenhouse gases and preventing global warming in the first place.

    But now, in a major reversal, some of the world's most prominent scientists say the proposals deserve a serious look because of growing concerns about global warming.

    Worried about a potential planetary crisis, these leaders are calling on governments and scientific groups to study exotic ways to reduce global warming, seeing them as possible fallback positions if the planet eventually needs a dose of emergency cooling.

    "We should treat these ideas like any other research and get into the mind- set of taking them seriously," said Ralph Cicerone, president of the National Academy of Sciences in Washington.

    The plans and proposed studies are part of a controversial field known as geoengineering, which means rearranging the earth's environment on a large scale to suit human needs and promote habitability. Cicerone, an atmospheric chemist, will detail his arguments in favor of geoengineering studies in the August issue of the journal Climatic Change.

    Practicing what he preaches, Cicerone is also encouraging leading scientists to join the geoengineering fray. In April, at his invitation, Roger Angel, a noted astronomer at the University of Arizona, spoke at the academy's annual meeting. Angel outlined a plan to put into orbit small lenses that would bend sunlight away from earth - trillions of lenses, he now calculates, each about two feet, or more than a half meter, wide, extraordinarily thin and weighing little more than a butterfly.

    In addition, Cicerone recently joined a bitter dispute over whether a Nobel laureate's geoengineering ideas should be aired, and he helped get them accepted for publication. The laureate, Paul Crutzen of the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry in Mainz, Germany, is a star of atmospheric science who won a share of the Nobel in 1995 for showing how industrial gases damage the earth's ozone shield. His paper newly examines the risks and benefits of trying to cool the planet by injecting sulfur into the stratosphere.

    The paper "should not be taken as a license to go out and pollute," Cicerone said in an interview, emphasizing that most scientists thought curbing greenhouse gases should be the top priority. But he added, "In my opinion, he's written a brilliant paper."

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    Geoengineering is no magic bullet, Cicerone said. But done correctly, he added, it will act like an insurance policy if the world one day faces a crisis of overheating, with repercussions like melting icecaps, droughts, famines, rising sea levels and coastal flooding.

    Many scientists still deride geoengineering as an irresponsible dream with more risks and potential bad side effects than benefits; they call its extreme remedies a good reason to redouble efforts at reducing heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide. And skeptics of human-induced global warming dismiss geoengineering as a costly effort to battle a mirage.

    Even so, many analysts say the prominence of its new advocates is giving the field greater visibility and credibility and adding to the likelihood that global leaders may one day consider taking such emergency steps.

    "People used to say, 'Shut up, the world isn't ready for this,'" said Wallace Broecker, a geoengineering pioneer at Columbia University in New York.

    "Maybe the world has changed."

    Michael MacCracken, chief scientist of the Climate Institute, a private research group in Washington, said he was resigned to the need to take geoengineering seriously.

    "It's really too bad," MacCracken said, "that the United States and the world cannot do much more so that it's not necessary to consider getting addicted to one of these approaches."

    Martin Apple, president of the Washington-based Council of Scientific Society Presidents, said of geoengineering at a recent meeting in Washington, "Let's talk about research funding with enough zeroes on it so we can make a dent."

    The study of futuristic countermeasures began quietly in the 1960s, as scientists theorized that global warming caused by human-generated emissions might one day pose a serious threat. But little happened until the 1980s, when global temperatures started to rise.

    Some scientists noted that the earth reflected about 30 percent of incoming sunlight back into space and absorbed the rest. Slight increases of reflectivity, they reasoned, could easily counteract heat-trapping gases, thereby cooling the planet.

    Broecker of Columbia proposed doing so by lacing the stratosphere with tons of sulfur dioxide, as erupting volcanoes occasionally do.

    The injections, he calculated in the '80s, would require a fleet of hundreds of jumbo jets and, as a byproduct, would increase acid rain.

    Critics of geoengineering argue that it makes more sense to avoid global warming than to gamble on risky fixes.

    But international efforts like the Kyoto Protocol have so far failed to diminish the threat.

    Geoengineering's advocates say humankind is already vastly altering the global environment and simply needs to do so more intelligently.

    Such visionary plans have their critics. James Hansen of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, who attended the talk and strongly advocates curbing emissions, belittled the orbital sunshade as "incredibly difficult and impractical."

    Crutzen, the Nobel laureate from the Max Planck Institute, has also drawn fire for his paper about injecting sulfur into the stratosphere.

    "Climatic engineering, such as presented here, is the only option available to rapidly reduce temperature rises" if international efforts fail Crutzen wrote. "So far," he added, "there is little reason to be optimistic."

    Andrew C. Revkin contributed reporting for this article.
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    Re: The Chemtrail Thread: Aerosol Reports and Links

    Maybe part of chemtrails is about blocking out the sun. Paul Crutzen's idea is to put sulfates high up, into the stratosphere. Chemtrails are being "sprayed" in the troposphere.

    Check this one out.
    http://sedac.ciesin.columbia.edu/ozone/rtm/uvsens.html



    Stratospheric Ozone and Human Health Project
    Surface UV Dose Sensitivity to Atmospheric Conditions

    1. Introduction
    The amount of ultraviolet radiation reaching the surface of the Earth is dependent on a variety of atmospheric factors, of which stratospheric ozone is the most important. Notwithstanding the significance of the ozone layer, other atmospheric conditions such as boundary layer aerosol, clouds, and boundary layer ozone can also have a signinficant impact on the amount of UV reaching the ground. This review discusses the sensitivity of surface-level ultraviolet radiation dose on varying levels of these relevant atmospheric constituents as derived from calculations of the multiple scattering radiative transfer model (Charache et al., 1994) used in the development of the UltraViolet Interactive Service (UVIS).
    The following is a very interesting tidbit which deserves special highlighting.
    4. Boundary Layer Ozone Sensitivity

    Ozone in the troposphere and particularly in the boundary layer play an important role in surface UV budgets. Brühl and Crutzen (1989) indicated the disproportionate role that tropospheric ozone plays in UV-B absorption; more scattering events in the lower atmosphere due to greater molecular and aerosol scattering effectively lengthen the ozone path length in the troposphere, thus making a given quantity of ozone in the troposphere more effective in attenuating UV-B than an equal amount of ozone in the stratosphere....
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    Re: The Chemtrail Thread: Aerosol Reports and Links

    Can Nicola Stuber's campaign against the environmental effects of cheap airline flights ever lead to meaningful discussion of, or action, against chemtrails?
    Let us deal gently with the truth. No more scaremongering: about nukes, about the climate, about terrorists, about anything.

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    Re: The Chemtrail Thread: Aerosol Reports and Links

    I just sent a couple e-mails to a Boston meteorologist.

    Subject: Specific Aircraft Seem to be Deliberately Producing Fake Overcasts


    Hello Todd,

    I have always been impressed with your astute weather knowledge. That is why I am hoping you may have some answers to a few questions. Basically, there are many of us who have been witnessing the atmosphere being dramatically altered by certain aircraft emissions.

    We understand the basics of contrails, we just don't understand why there is this new phenomenom being seen in which skies are being transformed into fake, milky-white overcasts by aircraft. We do not remember this occurring before around 1997. Now, many are aware of the work of David Travis on global dimming, but many people sense that the true story about the white-outs has not yet been adequately explained.

    I know you are busy. I appreciate any feedback you can provide.

    A balanced report was done on this topic twice by Mr. Paul Moyer of KNBC, Los Angeles. Here are the links, if you haven't seen the reports.

    Toxic Sky? KNBC, Los Angeles Paul Moyer reporting
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm6rbwVUxGU

    Toxic Sky? part 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKT0VflkoUE

    Here is one final short video I will send you. It was produced by a gentleman from Cheshire, England. He claims that he often witnesses non-commercial jets making this type of mess. I see this stuff happening a lot here too in the Boston area.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sfrnT5DQHc

    I'm also wondering whether there should be a small gap before "contrails" form.
    I thought that there should be that split second or so before hot engine exhaust reacts with the cold, ambient atmosphere and changes into ice crystals and a contrail. It looks on the video like the "contrails" are starting directly from the plane.


    Thanks for your time and consideration.



    2nd email, right after
    Subject: Aviation and Meteorology

    Sir, I won't bother you again. I do look forward to your response when you get the chance.

    Here is one more video that is much more vivid. This goes on in Massachusetts also quite frequently. Thank you for your time and consideration

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlU5o...elated&search=
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    Can Nicola Stuber's campaign against the environmental effects of cheap airline flights ever lead to meaningful discussion of, or action, against chemtrails?
    These are two separate issues. The only possible relationship would be that if aviation contrails were ever eliminated, which is a pipedream, then it would become completely obvious that governments are active in widescale, Frankensteinian, atmospheric bullshit. One result I see coming from environmentalists concerned with commercial aviation is that tickets will become more expensive, and only the rich will be able to afford to fly whenever they wish to. That may be a good thing in itself, not that rich people will continue to be the fat pigs that they are, but that societies cutting back drastically with commercial flights would be a very good development. It would be good for the environment. BUT IT WOULD STILL HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH CHEMTRAILS. It would also be nice if planes could fly without creating contrails. But again, that has nothing to do with chemtrails, and one would have to be a retarded, low-level spook to even suggest they are related.

    People need to consider the source of this question and realize that this is a troll, someone to scroll past. He is a low-level, disinformation agent, nothing but just another fake "concern troll". He works in tandem with other low level scumbags, and what they do is called astroturfing.
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    Re: The Chemtrail Thread: Aerosol Reports and Links

    The fact that the aircraft emissions discussion and the geoengineering discussion are shooting past each other, acting as if unaware of each other's existence, is not a situation for which I am responsible. It seems to me symptomatic of a traditional divide-and-rule scenario. Participants in both discussions should not be allowed to continue behaving as if they are unaware of the existence of the other discussion, and of its implications for their own discussion.
    Let us deal gently with the truth. No more scaremongering: about nukes, about the climate, about terrorists, about anything.

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