A "Debunker" Proves That All Aircraft Are Not Involved

[Jeff Reynolds]

I thought I would start a thread on proof of chemtrail realities, but somehow I am still stuck in the world of low level astroturfers. There is a script all over the internet between fake "believers" and fake "debunkers". Somehow my curiosity about the bill draft including "chemtrails" has led me to some insidious video, that to be blunt, highlights the stupidity of the "debunker" side of the psy-op. On behalf of all "chemmies", thank you for this gift which provides more evidence that there are Frankensteinian atmospheric shenanigans going on above us. For if chemtrails are a crazy hoax, who would go to this much trouble to spread such propaganda.

{ON EDIT: THE VIDEO NO LONGER IS WORKING. HMMM? Also, take a look at the second comment Jay Reynolds/ Epoxynous wrote, how there weren't commercial airliners back then to make natural persistent contrails, but if one reads below, in Galveston, such shit was witnessed at 10,000-25,000 feet, where such trails are not possible. This has to be one of the stupidest psy-ops ever, no wonder the film has been scrubbed. Fakes don't play fair, whether they are "believers" or "debunkers."}
Chemtrails were Contrails
Added: May 09, 2007
From: Epoxynous

The images and videos that people present as "chemtrails" are identical to historical reports of contrails. As far back as 1944, contrails were reported to persist, spread, and cover the sky.

See ContrailScience.com for details.

Epoxynous is the "Jay Reynolds" of youtube, if not actually "Jay" himself. Epoxynous has also started a new website called contrailscience.com, where I first came into contact with the video.

The key to this all is to freeze the screen, so that you can see what the news clippings and pictures are all about. I will do my best to transcribe what I see. But anyway, sometimes these tools make it so easy for truthseekers to see through their shenanigans. I apologize in advance for any errors in transcribing. If I do mess up, it is because some of this is very tough to read.

The video is 85 seconds.

Chemtrails were contrails all the way back through history since 1944.

Then it zooms in on an old newspaper.

THE NEWS, FREDERICK, MD., TUESDAY, MARCH 7TH, 1944.

It zooms in on an article titled Vapour Trails Bane To Pilots, Former News-Post Photog Says.

Vapor trails similar to the one which a high-flying airplane left over this city early in February are a bane to pilots since they are a "dead give-away for fighter aircraft and anti-aircraft gunners," Tech Sergt. Robert L. Yinger, former News - Post photographer writes from Muroe{illegible?}, Calif., where he is stationed with the 336th{?} Bomber Squadron.....

The next part Epoxynous zooms in so you don't miss a thing, which is the crux of the bullshit misdirection, that all aircraft are capable of creating "chemtrails" and fake overcast. The main point is that this dumbass Epoxynous didn't figure that someone would be able to slow down the video and see that all his examples were from military aircraft, not commercial ones.

Sergt. Yinger then makes this interesting observation: "Contrails frequently have a tendency to cause a complete overcast and cause rain. In Idaho I have seen contrails formed in a perfectly clear sky and four hours later a complete overcast resulted....

It'd be nice to see the whole article, but the dumbass shill had a marketing job to do, so he moved on.

And there's more

He put up a picture titled Vapor Trails Paint Battlefront Sky. Then he rattled off various news clippings, at a pace that one could say was insidious and full of subliminals.

"Vapor Trails Get Many Excited"

Vapor trails formed by condensation of aircraft engines in cold or freezing temperatures put Peninsula residents in a tizzy late yesterday afternoon.

Ordinarily white, the vapor trails were scarlet and gold from the setting sun.

Police departments from San Jose to South San Francisco were flooded with calls from 5:15 and 5:25 with reports ranging from "a burning plane" and "meteors" to "flying saucers." However, it was only a B-50 bomber flying at 25,000.

Another clip pops up, but is tough to read, one can only see the headline.

Sky 'Objects' Probably Plane Vapor


The next news clip reads:
The Galveston Daily News
Mystery Veils Vapor Wreath In Galveston's Sunny Skies

We are now up to 53 seconds in the short film. I'm almost done exposing this chump trying to cover up chemtrails. Damn, this chump made it very difficult to transcribe these clippings. But I am not gonna let this asshat get away with this insidous shit which actually proves that commercial aircraft are not involved with chemtrails, that chemtrails are quite different from contrails, persistent or not. I can't read what the date is on this one, but with some effort the following is as it was originally in that paper. Maybe next psy-op, they make up a fake old paper saying these kinds of trails come from commercial aircraft.

It wasn't a sky-written soft-drink ad and the weatherman couldn't offer an explanation either for the fat white streaks of vapor hanging motionless in Galveston's skies around noon saturday.

But it seemed fairly certain that a six-engined B-36 left the heavy white trail in its wake as it circled over the city.

Neither municipal airport nor civil aeronautics authority officials had a flight plan on the bomber. Both outfits, however, believed that the jet-powered B-36 was on a training mission from Carswell Air Force Base in Fort Worth.

An Air Force spokesman at Carswell Base refused to comment on either the bomber or its 'vapor trail' when contacted late Saturday by The News.

Mystery of the massive vapor streaks was their long, steady persistence in breezed-stirred skies rather than their expulsion from the jet-powered plane. Airport officials commented that a vapor trail usually fades away swiftly, as in sky-writing.

They also said that planes may leave vapor trails when flying at high altitudes. But it was unlikely, they added, that the air would remain still enough to keep the vapor from fading swiftly.

Another odd thing---onlookers said the bomber engines rather than the jet exhausts were pushing out the vapor clouds.

The only thing certain about the vapor mystery seems to be that the B-36 was flying at altitudes between 10,000 and 25,000 feet as it circled Galveston...

We should thank this dumbass "debunker" for providing all this evidence that chemtrails are under some type of military authorization and have nothing to do with commercial aircraft, unlike what a lot of pr hacks and shills lie about all over these chemtrail boards.

Now we are at 54 seconds.

Jet Causes Vapor Trail Across Sky

Wow, what an asshole, insidious fake this creep is. First, here is the story.

No- It wasn't a flying saucer which left a vapor trail across the Kingsport sky Wednesday afternoon.

According to the Tri-Cities Airport Weather Bureau the long white streak which spanned the city from east to west around 1 p.m. yesterday was caused by special weather conditions and a jet airplane.

The Times-News made an inquiry after receiving telephone calls from curious residents who had seen the trail.

Weather observers at the Bureau said a layer of moisture existed in the air Wednesday afternoon at just the right level to form a vapor with the jet's exhaust. On windier days, or on days when moisture was at a different level, no vapor trail is formed, the experts said....

Somehow the jackass disinfo creep doesn't think anyone can see through this bullshit. When the video hit 57 seconds, the creep subliminally tossed in some totally different news clip, which if one weren't careful, they could have easily thought that the following was a continuation of the article above.

...condensation of moisture in the air by heat from plane engines. This condensed moisture then freezes into a streamer-like cloud.

Perhaps the most graphic demonstrations of vapor trails were seen in England and Europe during World War II, when formations of 1,000 to 2,000 bombers carried death and destruction to the German forces.

These huge formations would lay thousands of intermingling trails which would actually form a cloud cover and change a clear day into a cloudy one.

Epoxynous:

Jet contrails spread and covered the sky in 1969

There is a photo taken from a secluded looking part of Boulder, Colorado from Dec. 17th, 1969. Anyone want to bet against it coming from military aircraft????

Ha, then there is one more photo that isn't even visible, then the movie fades out with:

See More: ContrailScience.Com

What a dumbass, fake "debunker". This was almost too easy, a bit tedious to transcribe, but what a friggin dumbass hack astroturfer.

[may41970]

Jeff says:

The main point is that this dumbass Epoxynous didn't figure that someone would be able to slow down the video and see that all his examples were from military aircraft, not commercial ones.

Not to mention that Epoxynous spent god knows how many hours seeking out old newspaper clippings about plane exhaust - from as far back as six decades ago. Now why would someone spend that kind of time perusing ancient library archives, then making a video of them in an effort to prove that "chemtrails" have always been around?

Why doesn't Epoxynous" go to such efforts to prove that extraterrestrials, the Loch-Ness Monster, Bigfoot, Crop-Circles, Sylphs, Angels, and God are equally nonsense?

What's that old Shakespeare line?.....something like, "Me thinks he protests too much."

I see your point, Jeff. That each article he put in his video (whether genuine of not) stated that the chemtrails were being laid out by military planes.

may

http://allaircraftarenotinvolved.freeforums.org/

[kola]

why not start the thread in your new toilet? http://allaircraftarenotinvolved.freeforums.org/

[kola]

Jeff=May

May=Jeff

[Jeff Reynolds]

Jeff=May

May=Jeff

So Kola has been bitching for months for Ed Snell to show that chemtrails are contrails, that they have been around since aviation started. Then when info comes out that pertains to this interest, does he try to put the pieces together? No, he just continues with his trolling, just like a fake "believer" would be expected to do.

[Jeff Reynolds]

Jeff says:


Not to mention that Epoxynous spent god knows how many hours seeking out old newspaper clippings about plane exhaust - from as far back as six decades ago. Now why would someone spend that kind of time perusing ancient library archives, then making a video of them in an effort to prove that "chemtrails" have always been around?

Why doesn't Epoxynous" go to such efforts to prove that extraterrestrials, the Loch-Ness Monster, Bigfoot, Crop-Circles, Sylphs, Angels, and God are equally nonsense?

What's that old Shakespeare line?.....something like, "Me thinks he protests too much."

I see your point, Jeff. That each article he put in his video (whether genuine of not) stated that the chemtrails were being laid out by military planes.

may

http://allaircraftarenotinvolved.freeforums.org/

What really happened to HR2977?

Here's a funny thing Lord Reynolds wrote way back in 2002 at Megasprayer where he was playing the role of the evil debunker. Then Chem11 came in with his scripted response as he portrayed the good believer. Could 5-10 people make up 90% of all chemtrail forum posts? Maybe.

Jay Reynolds: It looks like it was a set-up all along:
http://www.animatedsoftware.com/cass...01/nks0003.htm

Carol Rosin was an MKultra leftover, her history goes back to Tim Leary, she now heads up the nstitute for Cooperation in Space (ICIS), which wrote HR 2977.

In a classic bait/switch designed to demoralize chemtrail believers, chemtrails were listed in a bogus space weapons bill with no chance of getting out of committee, then yanked on the first day of a new session of congress...

Chem11: Quote:
In a classic bait/switch designed to demoralize chemtrail believers...


But why the hell would anyone be interested in demoralizing chemtrail believers if said chemical trails didn't exist?

Answer: they wouldn't.

Why would Jay Reynolds offer such a theory if he didn't think there was something to it?

I can't answer that question quite as briskly as the last, but Joe made an intersting comment on another thread that might offer some insight into just that, but I'm to tired to enter into a lengthy discusion of intelligence and counter-intelligence techniques just right now...

[kola]

jeffy quote:So Kola has been bitching for months for Ed Snell to show that chemtrails are contrails, that they have been around since aviation started. Then when info comes out that pertains to this interest, does he try to put the pieces together? No, he just continues with his trolling, just like a fake "believer" would be expected to do.
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jeffyboy... i know ed cannot produce the pics because none fuckin exist...and i no longer read your fuckin nonsense...nor do i need any proof to prove my points.

wake the fuck up BOY

Kola

[Boomer Chick]

Jeff,

I wish you the best in your search for truth. You have not curtailed anyone's freedom to find it as far as I k now and you have chosen to start your own board, so I wish you a great journey.

Please don't be a stranger to our Science section. If you find something you want to share, please post here, too! Having a place to store your collected data will help you feel organized. Also, you can link to your research to prove points when arguing in a debate. Yes?

The "debunker" stuff you presented seems like the guy tried hard to prove his own theory that "chemtrails" are only "contrails." He didn't mention flak, though, nor chaff. It was poor job, that's for sure. It really doesn't explain anything. And I agree that in a way, it shows a trend in the military of using contrails to obstruct air-battlefield views. That kind of technology could have definitely been improved over the years. I do know our military influenced the weather over the Ho Chi Min trail during Viet Nam.

And I don't know if you know this about me, but I have been open to some, not all, but some airliners outfitted with nozzles, but then again, I have no actual proof other than visual and for that, I don't have a camera with a telephoto lens that is digital. My digital only zooms so far. It's not a bad theory, but it's one that takes more proof than the already shot pics of military planes laying down lines of some kind. I accept that, but again................. what is it? WHY?

That one so-called whistle-blower on Carnicom's site is just not enough evidence for the airliner nozzles. Still, I'm open.

In our area, the airlines coming from the East have to put on the gas to reach a higher flying altitude over the Rocky Mountains. That is always the explanation for the lingering contrails I see. Always. I've asked a few experts and that's it. I watched one the other day and sure enough, it laid down a plume and the plume stopped when the plane reached its cruising altitude just before it "hit" Pikes Peak. You could say it was told to turn off the nozzles at that point or you could explain it by an increased output of exhaust from the engines. I would have to aim my telescope on the thing to see if nozzles were involved. Here's the problem with that, though. If I saw them through the telescope how could you believe me? I would have to show photos and I just don't have that kind of equipment. Binoculars wouldn't be good enough to see the location of the streams, either.

We've looked at sites dealing with jet fuel and exhausted them, not to pun. Just can't find proof of any hanky panky in that area. That's not to say it doesn't exist, though.

Well, best of luck to you and May and don't be strangers here.

[uncinus]

Jeff says:

Not to mention that Epoxynous spent god knows how many hours seeking out old newspaper clippings about plane exhaust - from as far back as six decades ago. Now why would someone spend that kind of time perusing ancient library archives, then making a video of them in an effort to prove that "chemtrails" have always been around?

It took me about two hours (newspaper archives are on the internet). Probably slightly less time than the impressive de-de-bunking above.

You know on my site I have photos of persistent spreading contrails from 1969. It's amazing that people still insist that such things are relatively new.

Why doesn't Epoxynous" go to such efforts to prove that extraterrestrials, the Loch-Ness Monster, Bigfoot, Crop-Circles, Sylphs, Angels, and God are equally nonsense?

I'll get to those in time

But seriously, firstly you decry my attention to contrails, and then say I should be looking into everything, if I were a genuine skeptic? Dude, people spend WAY more time than me blogging on far less interesting topics. What's the big deal if I find the subject interesting and choose to write about it? Is it really THAT incredible that someone would find they whole idea of "chemtrails" to be fascinating? Oh it's only a misconception that suckered in tens of thousands of people - why on earth would ANYONE find that interesting unless they were government disinformation agents?

contrailscience.com

[Jeff Reynolds]

To the BroomStick, thanks for replying to this post. after I pm'ed for a reply.

I am not into debating u or any other person who has been screwing with the chemtrail awareness movement all these years. I have posted plenty on the internet the last year or so, The cat is out of the bag about the script.

You really didn't have much to say about this actual thread. You just had that dumbass "mechanic" story, just another lame RenseBot answer to a serious post. Nice try selling chemtrails as contrails, but it's over. Chem11, Deborah, Big Bunny, Halvar and all your buddy "debunkers" have been thoroughly figured out. You are just another "pseudo-skeptic kook."

Like that line from The X Files, the truth is out there. You fit into a few of the categories of bullshitters-- with the religion, the phoney new age attitude, the everything is an enigma disinfo, the it's ok to switch identity 180 degrees like CyYaak, Seeker, WMM, and chickieDeb/ nodebbunker, that it's ok to take people like Weatherman for real, even after he has spoken of his billion dollar formulas and his thoughts of selling them to the Chinese or the Russians. It's over. The fakes have lost. The truth has won.